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	Comments on: What if the church is wrong about homosexuality?	</title>
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		By: morph01		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 05:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What matters is being rigorously honest about how one lives their life and contributes to society as a whole unconditionally. What gets me though is how women can fall for all those male domination doctrines.



I&#039;m blessed to be finally free of religions that judged me as immoral or substandard because I wasn&#039;t born &lt;em&gt;100%&lt;/em&gt; white, These same holy men decided later on down the road to refocus their pagan recruitment drives with heterosexist pontifications. I tried to believe in them, did my best amidst my own misery. In the end, I was left no choice but to say no thanks.  I don&#039;t need to rely on a version of a book that was Canonized by a murderer for his own gain to tell me what is right and wrong. It takes courage to stand up and say enough is enough.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What matters is being rigorously honest about how one lives their life and contributes to society as a whole unconditionally. What gets me though is how women can fall for all those male domination doctrines.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m blessed to be finally free of religions that judged me as immoral or substandard because I wasn&#8217;t born <em>100%</em> white, These same holy men decided later on down the road to refocus their pagan recruitment drives with heterosexist pontifications. I tried to believe in them, did my best amidst my own misery. In the end, I was left no choice but to say no thanks.  I don&#8217;t need to rely on a version of a book that was Canonized by a murderer for his own gain to tell me what is right and wrong. It takes courage to stand up and say enough is enough.</p>
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		By: Dena Leichnitz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dena Leichnitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 02:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[but I don’t think its right to go around and say that anyone can change, because most try and aren’t able to.



That is the point, YOU CAN&#039;T CHANGE. Only God can change you. It is not in our human capabilities to change. That is why people fail when they try. When you finally surrender and give it all up to God, that is when the transformation happens. I didn&#039;t change because of anything I did.  I changed because God did the changing. Therefore everybody can change because everybody has the same access to God&#039;s power. Are you trying to say I am somehow more special then the next person? That God loves me more than the guy down the street who is also struggling with sexual immorality? No! The only difference between me and the rest of the people on the planet is how much faith you place in the Almighty.  I try to put my life into his hands everyday. That is all I can do. But everybody is capable of change because we are all God&#039;s children and therefore no one is left out in the cold. If you go an inch, God will take you the mile.



God bless you, Dena. I am glad for your story. So readers can be clear, are you describing a change in same-sex behavior or opposite sex behavior?



It was most opposite sex  sexual behavior. But I have suffered from same sex attraction as well. I have noticed when I am doing what I need to be doing. When I  am more focused on service and on God, then the same attraction fade considerably. When I don&#039;t then they come back with a vengeance. However, I have never acted on my same sex attraction only on my heterosexual attraction. Not only that whenever I pictured my life with someone or thought about falling in love it was always with a man, never a woman. Therefore I consider myself straight with occasional same sex leanings.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but I don’t think its right to go around and say that anyone can change, because most try and aren’t able to.</p>
<p>That is the point, YOU CAN&#8217;T CHANGE. Only God can change you. It is not in our human capabilities to change. That is why people fail when they try. When you finally surrender and give it all up to God, that is when the transformation happens. I didn&#8217;t change because of anything I did.  I changed because God did the changing. Therefore everybody can change because everybody has the same access to God&#8217;s power. Are you trying to say I am somehow more special then the next person? That God loves me more than the guy down the street who is also struggling with sexual immorality? No! The only difference between me and the rest of the people on the planet is how much faith you place in the Almighty.  I try to put my life into his hands everyday. That is all I can do. But everybody is capable of change because we are all God&#8217;s children and therefore no one is left out in the cold. If you go an inch, God will take you the mile.</p>
<p>God bless you, Dena. I am glad for your story. So readers can be clear, are you describing a change in same-sex behavior or opposite sex behavior?</p>
<p>It was most opposite sex  sexual behavior. But I have suffered from same sex attraction as well. I have noticed when I am doing what I need to be doing. When I  am more focused on service and on God, then the same attraction fade considerably. When I don&#8217;t then they come back with a vengeance. However, I have never acted on my same sex attraction only on my heterosexual attraction. Not only that whenever I pictured my life with someone or thought about falling in love it was always with a man, never a woman. Therefore I consider myself straight with occasional same sex leanings.</p>
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		By: José Solano		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[José Solano]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’m heading out the door now so all I can say is that Darek and Dena have shown an accurate understanding of the God revealed in Scripture, not the one we construct.  It is not the God whom we judge but the God who judges us.  It is the God of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac revealed and incarnated in Jesus whose birth we celebrate at this time of the year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m heading out the door now so all I can say is that Darek and Dena have shown an accurate understanding of the God revealed in Scripture, not the one we construct.  It is not the God whom we judge but the God who judges us.  It is the God of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac revealed and incarnated in Jesus whose birth we celebrate at this time of the year.</p>
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		By: jayhuck		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dena,



I&#039;m kind of curious, what do you tell those people who pray and pray and pray and work for years trying to overcome/change their orientation and never do?  Do you simply tell them they aren&#039;t trying hard enough?  Do you tell them sorry, but God blesses some of us and no others?



I&#039;m happy in that you seem to be VERY happy, and you seem to have a strong heart for God, but I don&#039;t think its right to go around and say that anyone can change, because most try and aren&#039;t able to.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dena,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m kind of curious, what do you tell those people who pray and pray and pray and work for years trying to overcome/change their orientation and never do?  Do you simply tell them they aren&#8217;t trying hard enough?  Do you tell them sorry, but God blesses some of us and no others?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy in that you seem to be VERY happy, and you seem to have a strong heart for God, but I don&#8217;t think its right to go around and say that anyone can change, because most try and aren&#8217;t able to.</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, thanks Dena.  You said what is on my mind.  We are to follow his directions to his house instead of making them up along the way.   I&#039;ve been lost too - many times - and am ever grategul to find his path.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, thanks Dena.  You said what is on my mind.  We are to follow his directions to his house instead of making them up along the way.   I&#8217;ve been lost too &#8211; many times &#8211; and am ever grategul to find his path.</p>
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