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	Comments on: Ted Haggard &#8211; Pastor&#8217;s Case Stirs Debate: Denver Post	</title>
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		By: Throckmorton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Throckmorton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Got them and I posted on your site...Thanks, well thought out!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got them and I posted on your site&#8230;Thanks, well thought out!</p>
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		By: Throckmorton		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/11/12/ted-haggard-pastors-case-stirs-debate-denver-post/#comment-2787</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Got them and I posted on your site...Thanks, well thought out!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got them and I posted on your site&#8230;Thanks, well thought out!</p>
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		By: Dawn Slike		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/11/12/ted-haggard-pastors-case-stirs-debate-denver-post/#comment-2785</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dawn Slike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Throckmorton		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/11/12/ted-haggard-pastors-case-stirs-debate-denver-post/#comment-2784</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Throckmorton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dawn: There was nothing at that address. Do you have another URL?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dawn: There was nothing at that address. Do you have another URL?</p>
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		By: Dawn Slike		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/11/12/ted-haggard-pastors-case-stirs-debate-denver-post/#comment-2783</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dawn Slike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I forwarded Dr. Throckmorton&#039;s article and link to the Denver Post article to my own readers. One responded, and I clarified my thoughts to my entire list. For the text of my response, please go to DESLifeIssues.blogspot.com.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forwarded Dr. Throckmorton&#8217;s article and link to the Denver Post article to my own readers. One responded, and I clarified my thoughts to my entire list. For the text of my response, please go to DESLifeIssues.blogspot.com.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/11/12/ted-haggard-pastors-case-stirs-debate-denver-post/#comment-2782</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, Alan Chambers is willing to admit that orientation &quot;may&quot; be multi-causal.  That&#039;s another good step, in addition to Alan&#039;s decision to dump the term ex-gay.  (Now, if he would only get EXODUS out of politics...)

I think we could drop the &quot;may&quot; and safely assume that orientation IS mutli-causal.  You could say this about practically all human traits. Consider that two people may engage in exactly the same behaviors for entirely different reasons.

I am still a bit bothered by the word &quot;cause&quot;, though, since it is rarely used in conjunction with heterosexuality.  It suggests that one has already decided that  homosexual orientation is a disorder that must be caused by something.  Fact is, no one really knows what causes heterosexuality either -- and I have rarely heard the question asked at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Alan Chambers is willing to admit that orientation &#8220;may&#8221; be multi-causal.  That&#8217;s another good step, in addition to Alan&#8217;s decision to dump the term ex-gay.  (Now, if he would only get EXODUS out of politics&#8230;)</p>
<p>I think we could drop the &#8220;may&#8221; and safely assume that orientation IS mutli-causal.  You could say this about practically all human traits. Consider that two people may engage in exactly the same behaviors for entirely different reasons.</p>
<p>I am still a bit bothered by the word &#8220;cause&#8221;, though, since it is rarely used in conjunction with heterosexuality.  It suggests that one has already decided that  homosexual orientation is a disorder that must be caused by something.  Fact is, no one really knows what causes heterosexuality either &#8212; and I have rarely heard the question asked at all.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/11/12/ted-haggard-pastors-case-stirs-debate-denver-post/#comment-2781</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some very astute comments on this thread.

While I&#039;m not completely convinced of the entirety of your points, Warren, I agree that it&#039;s noteworthy that Alan may have come around to the position that orientation may be multi-causal.  Perhaps he&#039;ll change &quot;no one is born gay&quot; to &quot;not all gay people are born gay&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some very astute comments on this thread.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m not completely convinced of the entirety of your points, Warren, I agree that it&#8217;s noteworthy that Alan may have come around to the position that orientation may be multi-causal.  Perhaps he&#8217;ll change &#8220;no one is born gay&#8221; to &#8220;not all gay people are born gay&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/11/12/ted-haggard-pastors-case-stirs-debate-denver-post/#comment-2780</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Michael Brewer&#039;s remark that &quot;I am concerned he will go through this restoration process and come out the other end a confirmed heterosexual and become a poster child for the illegitimate process of reparative therapy,&quot; is very odd, because it sounds as though he is saying that reparative therapy is effective. Maybe he didn&#039;t intend it that way, but that&#039;s how it comes across.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Brewer&#8217;s remark that &#8220;I am concerned he will go through this restoration process and come out the other end a confirmed heterosexual and become a poster child for the illegitimate process of reparative therapy,&#8221; is very odd, because it sounds as though he is saying that reparative therapy is effective. Maybe he didn&#8217;t intend it that way, but that&#8217;s how it comes across.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Throckmorton said. &quot;And now he has the opportunity, if he can be completely candid with some counselor or adviser, to sort out how he wants to live and what boundaries to place in his life.&quot;

I wish more reparative therapists were this honest.  Dr. Throckmorton is describing a change in behavior and attitude, not a change in sexual orientation.

EXODUS should admit the same thing, instead of making those who do not change their orientation feel they are somehow second class Christians or not Christian at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Throckmorton said. &#8220;And now he has the opportunity, if he can be completely candid with some counselor or adviser, to sort out how he wants to live and what boundaries to place in his life.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wish more reparative therapists were this honest.  Dr. Throckmorton is describing a change in behavior and attitude, not a change in sexual orientation.</p>
<p>EXODUS should admit the same thing, instead of making those who do not change their orientation feel they are somehow second class Christians or not Christian at all.</p>
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		By: Throckmorton		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/11/12/ted-haggard-pastors-case-stirs-debate-denver-post/#comment-2778</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Throckmorton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It seems noteworthy to me that Alan has come around to a position that views same sex attraction as multicausal. Having multiple pathways to same sex attractions would account for several observations. 1. Sexual attractions are experiences more fluidly for some than for others; 2. Some describe their attractions as being for the same-sex from a very young age whereas some do not; 3. Change in attractions seems to happen for some and not for others; 4. Even though there are good reasons to question these numbers, the guestimates of significant therapeutic change seem to be somewhere between 1-33%; 5. For some, environmental context impacts the inner experiencing of sexual attractions, whereas for others their attractions are the same across social and cultural contexts. This is off the top of my head; there are probably others...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems noteworthy to me that Alan has come around to a position that views same sex attraction as multicausal. Having multiple pathways to same sex attractions would account for several observations. 1. Sexual attractions are experiences more fluidly for some than for others; 2. Some describe their attractions as being for the same-sex from a very young age whereas some do not; 3. Change in attractions seems to happen for some and not for others; 4. Even though there are good reasons to question these numbers, the guestimates of significant therapeutic change seem to be somewhere between 1-33%; 5. For some, environmental context impacts the inner experiencing of sexual attractions, whereas for others their attractions are the same across social and cultural contexts. This is off the top of my head; there are probably others&#8230;</p>
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