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	Comments on: Are gays more suicidal than straights?	</title>
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		By: Throckmorton		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/10/25/are-gays-more-suicidal-than-straights/#comment-2626</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 16:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do not easily dismiss the idea that sexual orientation might have some direct relationship to a small amount of the variation between straight and gay groups. At least one cannot do this due to the data that we have. A study would need to hold constant all known risk factors for suicide and leave only sexual orientation as the factor of interest. At the same time, those who want to find same-sex attraction as the culprit have a hard empirical case to make. Since many factors have not been controlled and sampling is so critical, one cannot be dogmatic about the nature of the differences observed. The other inconvenient observation for those who find sexual orientation as the causal factor is that most gays do not show the risk factors. These studies are comparisons of group central tendencies with much overlap between groups.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not easily dismiss the idea that sexual orientation might have some direct relationship to a small amount of the variation between straight and gay groups. At least one cannot do this due to the data that we have. A study would need to hold constant all known risk factors for suicide and leave only sexual orientation as the factor of interest. At the same time, those who want to find same-sex attraction as the culprit have a hard empirical case to make. Since many factors have not been controlled and sampling is so critical, one cannot be dogmatic about the nature of the differences observed. The other inconvenient observation for those who find sexual orientation as the causal factor is that most gays do not show the risk factors. These studies are comparisons of group central tendencies with much overlap between groups.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/10/25/are-gays-more-suicidal-than-straights/#comment-2625</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Along the same lines, did the researchers consider HIV status?  Multilple Loss Syndrome (&quot;Gay Grief&quot;)?  Did they take into account the subjects&#039; level of family and community support?

Did they ask whether those who were closeted were more likely to be suicidal?  Whether or not those from more fundamental religious backgrounds showed more suicidal tendencies?

Too often, folks who are opposed to homosexuality look at studies like these and condlude that the gayness (not the social and religious pressure) is the source of the subjects&#039; unhappiness.  Discrimination is ubiquitous and subtle.  It is not just the overt acts of persecution, it&#039;s the constant implied and spoken message that you are sick or sinful -- and that you would try to change if you were a &quot;good&quot; person.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along the same lines, did the researchers consider HIV status?  Multilple Loss Syndrome (&#8220;Gay Grief&#8221;)?  Did they take into account the subjects&#8217; level of family and community support?</p>
<p>Did they ask whether those who were closeted were more likely to be suicidal?  Whether or not those from more fundamental religious backgrounds showed more suicidal tendencies?</p>
<p>Too often, folks who are opposed to homosexuality look at studies like these and condlude that the gayness (not the social and religious pressure) is the source of the subjects&#8217; unhappiness.  Discrimination is ubiquitous and subtle.  It is not just the overt acts of persecution, it&#8217;s the constant implied and spoken message that you are sick or sinful &#8212; and that you would try to change if you were a &#8220;good&#8221; person.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/10/25/are-gays-more-suicidal-than-straights/#comment-2624</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Caution is warranted and one cannot say that homosexual orientation leads to suicidality.&quot;

Correct.  Because that would be our old friend &quot;post hoc, ergo propter hoc&quot;.  Correlation does not equal cause.

It is not at all surprising to me that gay people might be more prone to suicidal thinking, impulses or actions.  Did they factor in the damage it does to one&#039;s psyche to be told that you are going to burn in Hell for all eternity if you don&#039;t stop being gay?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Caution is warranted and one cannot say that homosexual orientation leads to suicidality.&#8221;</p>
<p>Correct.  Because that would be our old friend &#8220;post hoc, ergo propter hoc&#8221;.  Correlation does not equal cause.</p>
<p>It is not at all surprising to me that gay people might be more prone to suicidal thinking, impulses or actions.  Did they factor in the damage it does to one&#8217;s psyche to be told that you are going to burn in Hell for all eternity if you don&#8217;t stop being gay?</p>
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		By: Throckmorton		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/10/25/are-gays-more-suicidal-than-straights/#comment-2623</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They asked if the participants had experienced discrimination. 24.4% of men said they had and 18.6% of the women did.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They asked if the participants had experienced discrimination. 24.4% of men said they had and 18.6% of the women did.</p>
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		By: Boo		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/10/25/are-gays-more-suicidal-than-straights/#comment-2622</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did the study ask about experience of discrimination or more specifically about &quot;feelings&quot; of discrimination?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did the study ask about experience of discrimination or more specifically about &#8220;feelings&#8221; of discrimination?</p>
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