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		By: Warren		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/10/15/la-times-reports-on-narth-schoenewolf-controversies/#comment-2600</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 00:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boo is correct, he is listed &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.narth.com/menus/advisors.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here as a member&lt;/a&gt;. So is Joseph Berger, who also was involved in another controversy regarding an article on NARTH&#039;s website.



Dr. Schoenewolf&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.narth.com/docs/amok.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rebuttal&lt;/a&gt; is still up on the website. I am not sure how anyone would make sense of it since the original article has been taken down but it is there.



Beyond these observations, there is nothing new that I know about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boo is correct, he is listed <a href="http://www.narth.com/menus/advisors.html" rel="nofollow"> here as a member</a>. So is Joseph Berger, who also was involved in another controversy regarding an article on NARTH&#8217;s website.</p>
<p>Dr. Schoenewolf&#8217;s <a href="http://www.narth.com/docs/amok.html" rel="nofollow">rebuttal</a> is still up on the website. I am not sure how anyone would make sense of it since the original article has been taken down but it is there.</p>
<p>Beyond these observations, there is nothing new that I know about.</p>
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		By: Boo		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/10/15/la-times-reports-on-narth-schoenewolf-controversies/#comment-2599</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Their website still has him listed on the committee.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their website still has him listed on the committee.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/10/15/la-times-reports-on-narth-schoenewolf-controversies/#comment-2598</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Dec 2006 06:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dr. Throckmorton, do you have any updates on this situation? Is Schoenewolf still a member of NARTH&#039;s Scientific Committee?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Throckmorton, do you have any updates on this situation? Is Schoenewolf still a member of NARTH&#8217;s Scientific Committee?</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/10/15/la-times-reports-on-narth-schoenewolf-controversies/#comment-2597</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is from the Agape Press article:

(The Schoenewolf controversy) &quot;has battered the so-called &#039;ex-gay&#039; movement with accusations of racial bigotry for the first time.&quot; This firestorm has resulted, the report suggests, partly because ex-homosexual movement leaders and their Christian conservative allies have failed to condemn Schoenewolf&#039;s inflammatory remarks.&quot;

I think this is a reference to Alan Chambers, EXODUS and Focus on the Family.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is from the Agape Press article:</p>
<p>(The Schoenewolf controversy) &#8220;has battered the so-called &#8216;ex-gay&#8217; movement with accusations of racial bigotry for the first time.&#8221; This firestorm has resulted, the report suggests, partly because ex-homosexual movement leaders and their Christian conservative allies have failed to condemn Schoenewolf&#8217;s inflammatory remarks.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is a reference to Alan Chambers, EXODUS and Focus on the Family.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, I guess NARTH is going to dodge and weave. I suppose they think it will go away.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess NARTH is going to dodge and weave. I suppose they think it will go away.</p>
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		By: Boo		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/10/15/la-times-reports-on-narth-schoenewolf-controversies/#comment-2595</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Would it surprise anyone to know that Schoenewolf got his PhD from an online university that&#039;s had problems staying accredited?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Institute_and_University]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it surprise anyone to know that Schoenewolf got his PhD from an online university that&#8217;s had problems staying accredited?</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Institute_and_University" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Institute_and_University</a></p>
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		By: Boo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;&quot;When you&#039;re a witness to unkind words, or a judgmental attitude, or hate, stand up for gay people. Boldly and graciously confront injustice and hatred.&quot;

Bravo, Alan. Now do what you are preaching here.&lt;/I&gt;

Too late. Alan recently shared the stage with Bishop Wellington Boone, who had this to say:

&lt;I&gt;My wife said to me this morning, she said, &quot;Well,okay then. It&#039;s sodomites because they&#039;re not gays; it&#039;s a misnomer. They&#039;re sodomites.&quot;&lt;/I&gt;

&lt;I&gt;So if this is just a small matter, I&#039;ll tell you what -- let two women go on an island and a whole bunch of - all women, if you&#039;re sodomites, go on an island, stay by yourself, all women, put all the men on another island - this is my wife talking to me this morning - let them stay.&lt;/I&gt;

Alan doesn&#039;t seem to have confronted Bishop Boone, who also recently said he prefers calling gay people faggots and sissies, with the truth in love. Although to be fair, perhaps Alan honestly believes the truthful loving thing for him to do is start calling himself an exsodomite sissy and maroon himself on an island.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;When you&#8217;re a witness to unkind words, or a judgmental attitude, or hate, stand up for gay people. Boldly and graciously confront injustice and hatred.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bravo, Alan. Now do what you are preaching here.</i></p>
<p>Too late. Alan recently shared the stage with Bishop Wellington Boone, who had this to say:</p>
<p><i>My wife said to me this morning, she said, &#8220;Well,okay then. It&#8217;s sodomites because they&#8217;re not gays; it&#8217;s a misnomer. They&#8217;re sodomites.&#8221;</i></p>
<p><i>So if this is just a small matter, I&#8217;ll tell you what &#8212; let two women go on an island and a whole bunch of &#8211; all women, if you&#8217;re sodomites, go on an island, stay by yourself, all women, put all the men on another island &#8211; this is my wife talking to me this morning &#8211; let them stay.</i></p>
<p>Alan doesn&#8217;t seem to have confronted Bishop Boone, who also recently said he prefers calling gay people faggots and sissies, with the truth in love. Although to be fair, perhaps Alan honestly believes the truthful loving thing for him to do is start calling himself an exsodomite sissy and maroon himself on an island.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From Alan Chamber&#039;s own book (just released):

&quot;When you&#039;re a witness to unkind words, or a judgmental attitude, or hate, stand up for gay people. Boldly and graciously confront injustice and hatred.&quot;

Bravo, Alan.  Now do what you are preaching here.  Be bold.  Dump NARTH.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Alan Chamber&#8217;s own book (just released):</p>
<p>&#8220;When you&#8217;re a witness to unkind words, or a judgmental attitude, or hate, stand up for gay people. Boldly and graciously confront injustice and hatred.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bravo, Alan.  Now do what you are preaching here.  Be bold.  Dump NARTH.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/10/15/la-times-reports-on-narth-schoenewolf-controversies/#comment-2592</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As one who was bullied, teased and ridiculed by classmates on an almost daily basis during elementary and junior high school, I can tell you that it does NOT change your sexual orientation or cure your &quot;gender non-conformormity&quot;.  (I am still gay, and proudly so.)

What it DOES is turn you into a lonely little gay boy who is fearful, isolated, depressed and self-loathing.  It makes you wary of being in groups, or trying sports or reaching out to others -- for fear of being taunted, despised and rejected.

And it does something to the kids who do the bullying, teasing and ridiculing.  It gives them a sense of power.  It makes them even more fearful of differences.  It reinforces gang ties and increases the likelihood of violence against gays, lesbians or any other person perceived as different.

It can lead to assault and murder.  I was stabbed in the back and my best friend was stabbed to death by a group of guys yelling &quot;faggot&quot;as they attacked.

I had seen their faces hundreds of times before -- on the playgrounds of my childhood.  Alan Chambers of EXODUS told the L.A. Times that he was also the victim of childhood bullying and he described how emotionally destructive it was.

He went on to say that EXODUS, unlike NARTH, would not tolerate men like Berger and Schoenewolf who condone bullying -- even if it does make a little boy think twice about putting on a dress.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one who was bullied, teased and ridiculed by classmates on an almost daily basis during elementary and junior high school, I can tell you that it does NOT change your sexual orientation or cure your &#8220;gender non-conformormity&#8221;.  (I am still gay, and proudly so.)</p>
<p>What it DOES is turn you into a lonely little gay boy who is fearful, isolated, depressed and self-loathing.  It makes you wary of being in groups, or trying sports or reaching out to others &#8212; for fear of being taunted, despised and rejected.</p>
<p>And it does something to the kids who do the bullying, teasing and ridiculing.  It gives them a sense of power.  It makes them even more fearful of differences.  It reinforces gang ties and increases the likelihood of violence against gays, lesbians or any other person perceived as different.</p>
<p>It can lead to assault and murder.  I was stabbed in the back and my best friend was stabbed to death by a group of guys yelling &#8220;faggot&#8221;as they attacked.</p>
<p>I had seen their faces hundreds of times before &#8212; on the playgrounds of my childhood.  Alan Chambers of EXODUS told the L.A. Times that he was also the victim of childhood bullying and he described how emotionally destructive it was.</p>
<p>He went on to say that EXODUS, unlike NARTH, would not tolerate men like Berger and Schoenewolf who condone bullying &#8212; even if it does make a little boy think twice about putting on a dress.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding the &quot;media lessons&quot; from Anonymous:

What POSSIBLE difference does it make if Berger was referring to ridiculing and teasing boys who want to wear dresses or to your &quot;everyday gender noncomformists&quot; -- whatever that means?  Is that somehow better?

Can&#039;t Berger think of something more therapeutic?  I thought he was a scientist.  Is there some evidence somewhere that teasing boys who want to cross dress does them any good?.

What kind of ADULT would recommend that we condone bullying, teasing or ridiculing ANY child -- especially those who may have emotional or psychological problems?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the &#8220;media lessons&#8221; from Anonymous:</p>
<p>What POSSIBLE difference does it make if Berger was referring to ridiculing and teasing boys who want to wear dresses or to your &#8220;everyday gender noncomformists&#8221; &#8212; whatever that means?  Is that somehow better?</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t Berger think of something more therapeutic?  I thought he was a scientist.  Is there some evidence somewhere that teasing boys who want to cross dress does them any good?.</p>
<p>What kind of ADULT would recommend that we condone bullying, teasing or ridiculing ANY child &#8212; especially those who may have emotional or psychological problems?</p>
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