Comments on: The Schoenewolf controversy: Afterthoughts on the apology https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/10/10/the-schoenewolf-controversy-afterthoughts-on-the-apology/ A [retired] college psychology professor's observations about public policy, mental health, sexual identity, and religious issues Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:14:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.3 By: Boo https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/10/10/the-schoenewolf-controversy-afterthoughts-on-the-apology/#comment-2480 Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:14:00 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2006/10/10/the-schoenewolf-controversy-afterthoughts-on-the-apology/#comment-2480 Why would anyone want to join such an organization?

I hear they have pie.

]]> By: Anonymous https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/10/10/the-schoenewolf-controversy-afterthoughts-on-the-apology/#comment-2479 Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:22:00 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2006/10/10/the-schoenewolf-controversy-afterthoughts-on-the-apology/#comment-2479 Let’s review:
(1) No election of officers, (2) No editorial review committee, (3)anonymous persons issuing retractions, explantaions, or apologies, (4) no personal responsibility when an advisor steps way out of line, (5) no good scientific data to back up its claims for curing gays, (6) heavy censorship of those who disagree with them (7) a belief that those who disagree with them are Marxist “activists” bent on silencing them…

Why would anyone want to join such an organization?

]]> By: Throckmorton https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/10/10/the-schoenewolf-controversy-afterthoughts-on-the-apology/#comment-2478 Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:49:00 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2006/10/10/the-schoenewolf-controversy-afterthoughts-on-the-apology/#comment-2478 Anon – Yes, I am pretty sure that NARTH does not have elections for officers. I am not sure how Board members are selected or officers are selected but I asked a couple of members and they could not remember ever having a vote.

]]> By: Michael Bussee https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/10/10/the-schoenewolf-controversy-afterthoughts-on-the-apology/#comment-2477 Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:36:00 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2006/10/10/the-schoenewolf-controversy-afterthoughts-on-the-apology/#comment-2477 Dr. Throckmorton is right: “As some of the old-timers in ex-gay ministry will attest, the early years were marked by neutrality on these matters.”

As one of those “old-timers”, I can attest that we worked VERY hard to remain neutral as an organization and ministry:

Anita Bryant asked us to join her crusade in Dade County Florida. We refused.

Congressman, William Dannemeyer, asked EXODUS to endorse his political initiatives. We refused. We also turned down Lou Sheldon and John Briggs.

Jim Kaspar and I did appear once on Pat Robertson’s 700 Club to give our testimonies, but decided that even THAT was a mistake since it seemed so political.

What has happened in the years since deeply troubles and saddens me. I believe that EXODUS has lost its way and that the message of the love and power of God is lost in all the political rhetoric. If I were a young Christian gay man looking for help, I would assume that (in addition to trying to change my sexual orientation)I would also have to endorse EXODUS’s politics to be OK with God.

That confusion is what we “old-timers” fought so hard to AVOID.

]]> By: Anonymous https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/10/10/the-schoenewolf-controversy-afterthoughts-on-the-apology/#comment-2476 Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:11:00 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2006/10/10/the-schoenewolf-controversy-afterthoughts-on-the-apology/#comment-2476 Dr. Throckmorten: By putting on your list of things you would like to see in an association the thing about members voting for officers, are you implying that NARTH does not vote for their officers? I never thought about it but that doesn’t seem quite right for a membership organization, does it? I am not pro-gay but I do think organizations should meet certain standards of accountability. So don’t get me wrong, I think NARTH has done some good things, probably moreso than even you think but that would be disturbing if NARTH doesn’t include members in voting for their leaders.

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