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		By: Throckmorton		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/09/26/narth-responds-to-the-schoenewolf-controversy/#comment-2377</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Throckmorton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The situation has gone on much too long. It is unbecoming and unseemly. I call on NARTH to take the concerns raised about the Schoenewolf article seriously and decisively.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The situation has gone on much too long. It is unbecoming and unseemly. I call on NARTH to take the concerns raised about the Schoenewolf article seriously and decisively.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/09/26/narth-responds-to-the-schoenewolf-controversy/#comment-2376</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 03:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I posted this on the NARTH Blog:

With all due respect, Jennifer, there is a difference between a blogger from ex-gay watch posting an abusive, threatening rascist comment to DL and a NARTH article which looks at the &quot;sunny side&quot; of slavery.

The former is a peripheral person in this debate and was &quot;kicked off&quot; ex-gay watch after his comments were exposed. The latter is a professional and expert.

I understand feelings are running high. I think this is a mistake to politicize this process. We have an identity as a scientific organization which is weakened by the poor comparison made above.

Lets blog about science, let&#039;s post articles on science.

David Blakeslee]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this on the NARTH Blog:</p>
<p>With all due respect, Jennifer, there is a difference between a blogger from ex-gay watch posting an abusive, threatening rascist comment to DL and a NARTH article which looks at the &#8220;sunny side&#8221; of slavery.</p>
<p>The former is a peripheral person in this debate and was &#8220;kicked off&#8221; ex-gay watch after his comments were exposed. The latter is a professional and expert.</p>
<p>I understand feelings are running high. I think this is a mistake to politicize this process. We have an identity as a scientific organization which is weakened by the poor comparison made above.</p>
<p>Lets blog about science, let&#8217;s post articles on science.</p>
<p>David Blakeslee</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/09/26/narth-responds-to-the-schoenewolf-controversy/#comment-2375</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just received this from Mike at Exgay Watch -- a clarification of and response to NARTH&#039;s blogmaster&#039;s (FALSE)accusation that Exgay Watch had made violent, racist threats:

&quot;Just for complete clarification; you all know all or parts of this:

http://www.exgaywatch.com/blog/archives/2006/08/commenter_adam.html

1. Kautz wasn&#039;t an active commenter -- I found only 12 previous comments by him.

2. As has been pointed out already, he made the racist and threatening comments on D.L.&#039;s site, not ours.

3. We banned him anyway because if those comments had been posted at XGW, they would have violated our guidelines. We try not to allow commenters to use XGW as a safe harbor while they conduct unethical or illegal activities elsewhere&quot;.

--Mike (Exgay Watch)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just received this from Mike at Exgay Watch &#8212; a clarification of and response to NARTH&#8217;s blogmaster&#8217;s (FALSE)accusation that Exgay Watch had made violent, racist threats:</p>
<p>&#8220;Just for complete clarification; you all know all or parts of this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.exgaywatch.com/blog/archives/2006/08/commenter_adam.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.exgaywatch.com/blog/archives/2006/08/commenter_adam.html</a></p>
<p>1. Kautz wasn&#8217;t an active commenter &#8212; I found only 12 previous comments by him.</p>
<p>2. As has been pointed out already, he made the racist and threatening comments on D.L.&#8217;s site, not ours.</p>
<p>3. We banned him anyway because if those comments had been posted at XGW, they would have violated our guidelines. We try not to allow commenters to use XGW as a safe harbor while they conduct unethical or illegal activities elsewhere&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8211;Mike (Exgay Watch)</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/09/26/narth-responds-to-the-schoenewolf-controversy/#comment-2374</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just called David Pruden of NARTH again, as the secretary at the NARTH office just directed me to do. I spoke with Mr. Pruden yesterday about this and I just challenged him (again) to read the blogmaster&#039;s comments and defense of Schoenewolf. In particular, I directed his attention to these lines:

&quot;Why white gays activits(sic)are not apologizing for the repeated acts of racism they engage in?&quot;

&quot;If one could sum up the leadership of the Ex Gay crsuaders (sic) at the hate blog Ex Gay Watch it would be this &quot;People who live in glass houses shouldn&#039;t throw rocks&quot;.

It is WAY out of line to suggest that all of NARTH&#039;s critics (and the folks at Exgay Watch) are &quot;racist&quot;. Is Dr. Throckmorton racist?  He also thinks you should PULL the article and APOLOGIZE.

It is WAY past time for Dr. Nicolosi, Mr. Pruden and whoever may actually be in &quot;charge&quot; of NARTH to respond.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just called David Pruden of NARTH again, as the secretary at the NARTH office just directed me to do. I spoke with Mr. Pruden yesterday about this and I just challenged him (again) to read the blogmaster&#8217;s comments and defense of Schoenewolf. In particular, I directed his attention to these lines:</p>
<p>&#8220;Why white gays activits(sic)are not apologizing for the repeated acts of racism they engage in?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;If one could sum up the leadership of the Ex Gay crsuaders (sic) at the hate blog Ex Gay Watch it would be this &#8220;People who live in glass houses shouldn&#8217;t throw rocks&#8221;.</p>
<p>It is WAY out of line to suggest that all of NARTH&#8217;s critics (and the folks at Exgay Watch) are &#8220;racist&#8221;. Is Dr. Throckmorton racist?  He also thinks you should PULL the article and APOLOGIZE.</p>
<p>It is WAY past time for Dr. Nicolosi, Mr. Pruden and whoever may actually be in &#8220;charge&#8221; of NARTH to respond.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/09/26/narth-responds-to-the-schoenewolf-controversy/#comment-2373</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From their blog:

&quot;NARTH values diversity of opinions and freedom of speech, and encourages individual writers.&quot;

Are they JOKING?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From their blog:</p>
<p>&#8220;NARTH values diversity of opinions and freedom of speech, and encourages individual writers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are they JOKING?</p>
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		By: Boo		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/09/26/narth-responds-to-the-schoenewolf-controversy/#comment-2372</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The NARTH blog seems to be engaging in the very type of behavior Schoenewolf claimed characterized the Civil Rights, Feminist, and Gay Rights movements: hysterically dividing the world into all-bad  &quot;gay activist&quot; victimizers and all-good victims such as themselves and claiming their assumed victim status trumps everything. Add to that their heavy censoring of opposing viewpoints.

Isn&#039;t it ironic? Dontcha think?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NARTH blog seems to be engaging in the very type of behavior Schoenewolf claimed characterized the Civil Rights, Feminist, and Gay Rights movements: hysterically dividing the world into all-bad  &#8220;gay activist&#8221; victimizers and all-good victims such as themselves and claiming their assumed victim status trumps everything. Add to that their heavy censoring of opposing viewpoints.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it ironic? Dontcha think?</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/09/26/narth-responds-to-the-schoenewolf-controversy/#comment-2371</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just called NARTH and Dr. Nicolosi&#039;s office at the Thomas Aquinas center to bring his attention to what is going on at his blog.  I asked him to do what he AGREED was the right thing to do with with &quot;Berger Debacle&quot;:  retract and apologize.  Why Dr. Nicolosi has let this go on this long is beyond me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just called NARTH and Dr. Nicolosi&#8217;s office at the Thomas Aquinas center to bring his attention to what is going on at his blog.  I asked him to do what he AGREED was the right thing to do with with &#8220;Berger Debacle&#8221;:  retract and apologize.  Why Dr. Nicolosi has let this go on this long is beyond me.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/09/26/narth-responds-to-the-schoenewolf-controversy/#comment-2370</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Now Jennifer at NARTH is accusing Exgay Watch of being &quot;a hateblog&quot;:

&quot;Why white gays activits are not apologizing for the repeated acts of racism they engage in? Do they get a pass?

For the record, I have NEVER engaged in acts of racism nor have I EVER made threats of violence.  One WACKO (gay) blogger does not represent the entire gay community.  For NARTH to imply this is ridiculous.

First they defend Schoeewolf, then retract him, then defend him and now they seem to accuse all gay &quot;activist&quot; bloggers of being violent hatemongers and racists.

Does ANYONE at NARTH know what is going on at their blog?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now Jennifer at NARTH is accusing Exgay Watch of being &#8220;a hateblog&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;Why white gays activits are not apologizing for the repeated acts of racism they engage in? Do they get a pass?</p>
<p>For the record, I have NEVER engaged in acts of racism nor have I EVER made threats of violence.  One WACKO (gay) blogger does not represent the entire gay community.  For NARTH to imply this is ridiculous.</p>
<p>First they defend Schoeewolf, then retract him, then defend him and now they seem to accuse all gay &#8220;activist&#8221; bloggers of being violent hatemongers and racists.</p>
<p>Does ANYONE at NARTH know what is going on at their blog?</p>
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		By: Jim Burroway		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/09/26/narth-responds-to-the-schoenewolf-controversy/#comment-2369</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Burroway]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m becoming increasingly concerned with the recent turn the NARTH blog is taking. In contrast to much of the rest of the content, the blog appears to be unusually unhinged and hysterical lately.

Let&#039;s be clear about one thing: As long as the posters remain anonymous, the NARTH blog will always appear to represent the opinions of NARTH to any casual observer, despite disclaimers to the contrary. People dropping in will look at it and just asume that it represents NARTH. If there were a real name, then it could be clear who is expressing what opinion. Anonymity undercuts that, leaving NARTH as the only identifying sponser of the blog.

And of course, this problem is compounded by their heavy-handed censoring of comments, which makes their claim of valuing a variety of opinions ring hollow. I tried posting comments, but they have never seen the light of day. I really don&#039;t think I&#039;m in the habit of posting unreasonable comments (IMO).

So I have to wonder: Are NARTH members aware that the NARTH blog reflects so poorly on the organization -- and on the membership by extension?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m becoming increasingly concerned with the recent turn the NARTH blog is taking. In contrast to much of the rest of the content, the blog appears to be unusually unhinged and hysterical lately.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be clear about one thing: As long as the posters remain anonymous, the NARTH blog will always appear to represent the opinions of NARTH to any casual observer, despite disclaimers to the contrary. People dropping in will look at it and just asume that it represents NARTH. If there were a real name, then it could be clear who is expressing what opinion. Anonymity undercuts that, leaving NARTH as the only identifying sponser of the blog.</p>
<p>And of course, this problem is compounded by their heavy-handed censoring of comments, which makes their claim of valuing a variety of opinions ring hollow. I tried posting comments, but they have never seen the light of day. I really don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m in the habit of posting unreasonable comments (IMO).</p>
<p>So I have to wonder: Are NARTH members aware that the NARTH blog reflects so poorly on the organization &#8212; and on the membership by extension?</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/09/26/narth-responds-to-the-schoenewolf-controversy/#comment-2368</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We express objections to Schoenewolf and Sojouneer at NARTH says,

&quot;Tell your stories here please stand up and make these attacks public. By making it public you are demonstrating the intimidation is not going to work. If we are silent, it will only get worse and may become violent later.&quot;

Come on.  Didn&#039;t he/she read any of the coverage of the completely peaceful protest in Indian Wells?  Just a bit PARANOID, don&#039;t you think?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We express objections to Schoenewolf and Sojouneer at NARTH says,</p>
<p>&#8220;Tell your stories here please stand up and make these attacks public. By making it public you are demonstrating the intimidation is not going to work. If we are silent, it will only get worse and may become violent later.&#8221;</p>
<p>Come on.  Didn&#8217;t he/she read any of the coverage of the completely peaceful protest in Indian Wells?  Just a bit PARANOID, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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