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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 03:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TO:  Alan Chambers
President, EXODUS International
FROM:  MIchael Bussee
EXODUS Co-founder
RE:  Allies, too.

Dear Alan:

Scott just sent me your â€œAllies, Tooâ€ information.  Now THIS is progress!!!  This is ALL I really wanted from you all along.  Too bad you waited to do it as a response to the GSA â€œAllies Weekâ€ announcement of October 15, 2006. It would have been cool for it to be EXODUSâ€™s own initiative, not a reaction to the Gay Student Alliance making the move.  But, hey, I will take it no matter HOW it got done.

Why not make it apply to all of us, not just students, and announce it at the LWO conference?  If you will do that, I will personally let the so-called â€œpro-gayâ€ forces KNOW where exactly where you stand TODAY.  Why not put these same three points on the FRONT PAGE of the EXODUS website â€“ not just for STUDENTS to pledge, but for ALL of us (on BOTH sides of the â€œgay issueâ€) to â€œmake the WORLD (not just schools) a safe and abuse-free place for all peopleâ€ (not just students).

Maybe put a â€œbuttonâ€ on your front page that reads:  â€œOur Pledge for a Safe and Harassment Free Worldâ€.

(1) Never use slurs or demeaning language against anyone.

(2) Make efforts, when I feel itâ€™s possible, to stop any name-calling or harassment I see.

(3) Express my beliefs with compassion, and pursue dialog with those who disagree.

The language is something that I think all of us could agree on.  I would promote these three points in everything I say and let people know that EXODUS wrote it.

I have printed out a copy and just signed it.  Letâ€™s all pledge to do the same RIGHT NOW.  I believe it is WAY past time.

In Christ,
Michael]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO:  Alan Chambers<br />
President, EXODUS International<br />
FROM:  MIchael Bussee<br />
EXODUS Co-founder<br />
RE:  Allies, too.</p>
<p>Dear Alan:</p>
<p>Scott just sent me your â€œAllies, Tooâ€ information.  Now THIS is progress!!!  This is ALL I really wanted from you all along.  Too bad you waited to do it as a response to the GSA â€œAllies Weekâ€ announcement of October 15, 2006. It would have been cool for it to be EXODUSâ€™s own initiative, not a reaction to the Gay Student Alliance making the move.  But, hey, I will take it no matter HOW it got done.</p>
<p>Why not make it apply to all of us, not just students, and announce it at the LWO conference?  If you will do that, I will personally let the so-called â€œpro-gayâ€ forces KNOW where exactly where you stand TODAY.  Why not put these same three points on the FRONT PAGE of the EXODUS website â€“ not just for STUDENTS to pledge, but for ALL of us (on BOTH sides of the â€œgay issueâ€) to â€œmake the WORLD (not just schools) a safe and abuse-free place for all peopleâ€ (not just students).</p>
<p>Maybe put a â€œbuttonâ€ on your front page that reads:  â€œOur Pledge for a Safe and Harassment Free Worldâ€.</p>
<p>(1) Never use slurs or demeaning language against anyone.</p>
<p>(2) Make efforts, when I feel itâ€™s possible, to stop any name-calling or harassment I see.</p>
<p>(3) Express my beliefs with compassion, and pursue dialog with those who disagree.</p>
<p>The language is something that I think all of us could agree on.  I would promote these three points in everything I say and let people know that EXODUS wrote it.</p>
<p>I have printed out a copy and just signed it.  Letâ€™s all pledge to do the same RIGHT NOW.  I believe it is WAY past time.</p>
<p>In Christ,<br />
Michael</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/09/12/common-ground/#comment-2272</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, &quot;Dr.&quot; Schoenwolf doesn&#039;t know the history of Africa&#039;s great empires back then, like the Mali, the Songhai, and the Niger that flourished western Africa. It went really well until the savage Europeans use their maxim guns in Nigeria]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, &#8220;Dr.&#8221; Schoenwolf doesn&#8217;t know the history of Africa&#8217;s great empires back then, like the Mali, the Songhai, and the Niger that flourished western Africa. It went really well until the savage Europeans use their maxim guns in Nigeria</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/09/12/common-ground/#comment-2271</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s educate NARTH and Schoenewolf:

http://www.pbs.org/wonders/fr_wn.htm is a great place to begin to explore just how stupid Schonewolf is when he says that pre-slave-era Africa was basically a an &quot;uncivilized, savage jungle&quot;.

Quote from the site: &quot;Africa is a continent of magnificent treasures and cultures -- from the breathtaking stone architecture of 1,000-year-old ruins in South Africa to an advanced 16th century international university in Timbuktu. However, for centuries, many of these African wonders have been hidden from the world, lost to the ravages of time, nature and repressive governments.&quot;

The website includes articles on: Black Kingdoms of the Nile, Temples of Abu Simbel, Black Pharaohs, City of Jebel Barkal, Pyramids at Giza, The Swahili Coast, Historic Gedi The Swahili People, Slave Kingdoms, Ashanti Kingdom and many others.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s educate NARTH and Schoenewolf:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/wonders/fr_wn.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.pbs.org/wonders/fr_wn.htm</a> is a great place to begin to explore just how stupid Schonewolf is when he says that pre-slave-era Africa was basically a an &#8220;uncivilized, savage jungle&#8221;.</p>
<p>Quote from the site: &#8220;Africa is a continent of magnificent treasures and cultures &#8212; from the breathtaking stone architecture of 1,000-year-old ruins in South Africa to an advanced 16th century international university in Timbuktu. However, for centuries, many of these African wonders have been hidden from the world, lost to the ravages of time, nature and repressive governments.&#8221;</p>
<p>The website includes articles on: Black Kingdoms of the Nile, Temples of Abu Simbel, Black Pharaohs, City of Jebel Barkal, Pyramids at Giza, The Swahili Coast, Historic Gedi The Swahili People, Slave Kingdoms, Ashanti Kingdom and many others.</p>
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		By: Robbi Kenney		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/09/12/common-ground/#comment-2270</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/09/12/common-ground/#comment-2269</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Looks like you might need to start a new &quot;thread&quot; on this one.  I am astonished and disgusted by the Schoenewolf comments.  &quot;Africa was savage and uncivilized&quot;?  Slaves were &quot;in many ways better off&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like you might need to start a new &#8220;thread&#8221; on this one.  I am astonished and disgusted by the Schoenewolf comments.  &#8220;Africa was savage and uncivilized&#8221;?  Slaves were &#8220;in many ways better off&#8221;?</p>
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		By: Throckmorton		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/09/12/common-ground/#comment-2268</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anon - I do not have an update at this time.]]></description>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/09/12/common-ground/#comment-2267</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dr. Throckmorton:  has NARTH responded in any way to your objections to Narth adviser&#039;s Schoenewolf article?  In the article, Schoenewolf says

&quot;With all due respect, there is another way, or other ways, to look at the race issue in America. It could be pointed out, for example, that Africa at the time of slavery was still primarily a jungle, as yet uncivilized or industrialized. Life there was savage, as savage as the jungle for most people, and that it was the Africans themselves who first enslaved their own people. They sold their own people to other countries, and those brought to Europe, South America, America, and other countries, were in many ways better off than they had been in Africa. But if one even begins to say these things one is quickly shouted down as though one were a complete madman.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Throckmorton:  has NARTH responded in any way to your objections to Narth adviser&#8217;s Schoenewolf article?  In the article, Schoenewolf says</p>
<p>&#8220;With all due respect, there is another way, or other ways, to look at the race issue in America. It could be pointed out, for example, that Africa at the time of slavery was still primarily a jungle, as yet uncivilized or industrialized. Life there was savage, as savage as the jungle for most people, and that it was the Africans themselves who first enslaved their own people. They sold their own people to other countries, and those brought to Europe, South America, America, and other countries, were in many ways better off than they had been in Africa. But if one even begins to say these things one is quickly shouted down as though one were a complete madman.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Throckmorton		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/09/12/common-ground/#comment-2266</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 01:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pam - Good to hear from you. I agree that simply saying you should be in love before you have sex has opened the flood gates. Since love in middle school is all about brain trickery, the message must be tied to something real, like responsibility and safety.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam &#8211; Good to hear from you. I agree that simply saying you should be in love before you have sex has opened the flood gates. Since love in middle school is all about brain trickery, the message must be tied to something real, like responsibility and safety.</p>
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		By: grace		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/09/12/common-ground/#comment-2265</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren (and others),
I&#039;m writing with my &quot;teacher hat&quot; on now....although, as you all well-know, my experiences certainly color my opinions.

The only point that flys right past me is #8.  The words love, bonding, empathy, and devotion are abstract and difficult for educators to get a firm consensus or grasp on when relating to students from such varied backgrounds and experiences.  I guess I&#039;m assuming, maybe wrongfully so, that #4 (quality sex education) means that we&#039;d probably hit on most of these at some point in public education...it&#039;s got to start that early if any difference is to be made within our culture over the long haul.

#8 makes it sound like we&#039;re going to say it&#039;s okay to have sex as long as you are bonded and empathetic to those you are having sex with.  Heck...that would pretty much create a school-wide orgy at the middle school level!

I&#039;m loving this discussion!

in Christ,
pam whitley, a.k.a. grace]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren (and others),<br />
I&#8217;m writing with my &#8220;teacher hat&#8221; on now&#8230;.although, as you all well-know, my experiences certainly color my opinions.</p>
<p>The only point that flys right past me is #8.  The words love, bonding, empathy, and devotion are abstract and difficult for educators to get a firm consensus or grasp on when relating to students from such varied backgrounds and experiences.  I guess I&#8217;m assuming, maybe wrongfully so, that #4 (quality sex education) means that we&#8217;d probably hit on most of these at some point in public education&#8230;it&#8217;s got to start that early if any difference is to be made within our culture over the long haul.</p>
<p>#8 makes it sound like we&#8217;re going to say it&#8217;s okay to have sex as long as you are bonded and empathetic to those you are having sex with.  Heck&#8230;that would pretty much create a school-wide orgy at the middle school level!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m loving this discussion!</p>
<p>in Christ,<br />
pam whitley, a.k.a. grace</p>
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		By: Lisa Darden		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/09/12/common-ground/#comment-2264</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ladies and Gentleman By George I think you&#039;ve/
we&#039;ve got it. God is indeed and has been &quot;UP TO SOMETHING&quot;! 30 plus years in the making. I had a vision about 15 years ago while driving across the Golden Gate Bridge. A healing and reconciliation and an out pouring of God&#039;s love to everyone including the LGBT community. I am a film maker and the vision laid on my heart was a production company called Hope Unlimited Productions which came to fruition this year and the film He put on my heart 15 years ago is called &quot;For Such A Time As This&quot; I have been working on it for about 9 months now. I have interviewed and/or filmed all or most of the key events and all the main players on bothsides of this issue &#038; other prominate voices including our man of the hour and fellow brother who is also fascinated with the history of the ex-gay ministries Dr. Warren Throckmorten, Michael Bussey, John Evans, Frank and Anita Worthen,Kent Philpott, Alan Chambers, Dr. Joseph Nicolosi,Wayne Besen, Melissa Fryrear, Randy Thomas, Bill Maier, Mike Goeke, Sy Rogers,Nancy Heche,Joe Dallas, Ralph Blair,Mel White,Jeff Lutes,Chad Allen, Jack Rogers,Marsha Stevens, Peggy Campolo, Tony Camplolo, and many othersfrom both perspectives ...the response has been overwhelming . What seemed obvious to me back then  has taken a long time to come to pass. Now there is real communication and the healing has begun! We&#039;ve all played important roles in this story (history) that seems to be coming full circle 30 plus years later. Could it be &quot;For Such A Time As This&quot; that you all have been reconnected? I think so. I&#039;m so glad we are all WAKING UP! God is ALIVE AND WELL AND WORKING IN OUR HEARTS AND CALLING US TO REACH A NATION WITH GOD&quot;S UNCONDITION LOVE.HIS LOVE IS AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE including LGBT folks. He meets us where we are and he will make all nessesary changes our job as Christians include The Simple Basics : To Love God and to Love your neigbor as your self, to do unto others as you would have done unto you. God will take care of the rest. My favorite saying is that People won&#039;t know what a friend they have in Jesus until they know what a friend they have in you! If you are reading this...Robbie,Ed and Jeff I would love to interview you. God is definitely doing something SPECIAL here! It&#039;s a good thing we are all paying attention.:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ladies and Gentleman By George I think you&#8217;ve/<br />
we&#8217;ve got it. God is indeed and has been &#8220;UP TO SOMETHING&#8221;! 30 plus years in the making. I had a vision about 15 years ago while driving across the Golden Gate Bridge. A healing and reconciliation and an out pouring of God&#8217;s love to everyone including the LGBT community. I am a film maker and the vision laid on my heart was a production company called Hope Unlimited Productions which came to fruition this year and the film He put on my heart 15 years ago is called &#8220;For Such A Time As This&#8221; I have been working on it for about 9 months now. I have interviewed and/or filmed all or most of the key events and all the main players on bothsides of this issue &amp; other prominate voices including our man of the hour and fellow brother who is also fascinated with the history of the ex-gay ministries Dr. Warren Throckmorten, Michael Bussey, John Evans, Frank and Anita Worthen,Kent Philpott, Alan Chambers, Dr. Joseph Nicolosi,Wayne Besen, Melissa Fryrear, Randy Thomas, Bill Maier, Mike Goeke, Sy Rogers,Nancy Heche,Joe Dallas, Ralph Blair,Mel White,Jeff Lutes,Chad Allen, Jack Rogers,Marsha Stevens, Peggy Campolo, Tony Camplolo, and many othersfrom both perspectives &#8230;the response has been overwhelming . What seemed obvious to me back then  has taken a long time to come to pass. Now there is real communication and the healing has begun! We&#8217;ve all played important roles in this story (history) that seems to be coming full circle 30 plus years later. Could it be &#8220;For Such A Time As This&#8221; that you all have been reconnected? I think so. I&#8217;m so glad we are all WAKING UP! God is ALIVE AND WELL AND WORKING IN OUR HEARTS AND CALLING US TO REACH A NATION WITH GOD&#8221;S UNCONDITION LOVE.HIS LOVE IS AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE including LGBT folks. He meets us where we are and he will make all nessesary changes our job as Christians include The Simple Basics : To Love God and to Love your neigbor as your self, to do unto others as you would have done unto you. God will take care of the rest. My favorite saying is that People won&#8217;t know what a friend they have in Jesus until they know what a friend they have in you! If you are reading this&#8230;Robbie,Ed and Jeff I would love to interview you. God is definitely doing something SPECIAL here! It&#8217;s a good thing we are all paying attention.:)</p>
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