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	Comments on: The APA and Psychology Need Reform: Full remarks of Nicholas Cummings	</title>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hateful behavior is also in the eyes of the law.  You can&#039;t do it in our democratic society.  You may not target any particular group for acts of hatred.  You can go to jail for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hateful behavior is also in the eyes of the law.  You can&#8217;t do it in our democratic society.  You may not target any particular group for acts of hatred.  You can go to jail for it.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An earlier post says that hateful behavior is in &quot;the eye of the beholder&quot; and suggests that the person needs to work on not being so &quot;sensitive&quot;.

I am the victim of a Hate Crime.  Don&#039;t tell me not to be so sensitive.

A six inch knife plunged five times into the back of an unarmed gay man (my best friend who died trying to protect me)is not &quot;in the eye of the beholder&quot;.  It&#039;s hateful behavior in the back.

And I didn&#039;t have a &quot;chip on my shoulder&quot; or a &quot;sensitive feeling.&quot; What I had was a hole in my right lung.

The anti-gay hate that fueled this (and similar attacks) CAN be treated.  And the anti-hate message should come from Christ&#039;s church.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An earlier post says that hateful behavior is in &#8220;the eye of the beholder&#8221; and suggests that the person needs to work on not being so &#8220;sensitive&#8221;.</p>
<p>I am the victim of a Hate Crime.  Don&#8217;t tell me not to be so sensitive.</p>
<p>A six inch knife plunged five times into the back of an unarmed gay man (my best friend who died trying to protect me)is not &#8220;in the eye of the beholder&#8221;.  It&#8217;s hateful behavior in the back.</p>
<p>And I didn&#8217;t have a &#8220;chip on my shoulder&#8221; or a &#8220;sensitive feeling.&#8221; What I had was a hole in my right lung.</p>
<p>The anti-gay hate that fueled this (and similar attacks) CAN be treated.  And the anti-hate message should come from Christ&#8217;s church.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I especially pay attention to Koocher&#039;s point #1 -- the therapist&#039;s ethical responsibility to fully explore why and how a client came to their decision to try to change their sexual orientation.

Most reparative therapists just jump right in because they believe homosexuality is sin.  &quot;Why of COURSE, your&#039;re unhappy&quot;, they seem to say. &quot;That&#039;s because you&#039;re gay.  Let me help you...&quot;

For example, Nicolosi states that only 22% were motivated by &quot;outside pressure&quot;.  Is he kidding?  He says 77% were seeking healing of &quot;emotional hurts&quot; and not feeling &quot;outside pressure&quot;.

What caused these hurts?  How naive can he be?

He lists &quot;other factors&quot; but seems oblivious to the fact that all of the other factors he measured ARE &quot;outside pressures&quot;.  And all of these motivations are rated 60% or higher --

*  personal sprituality (being taught that you will go to Hell  is pressure don&#039;t you think?)

*  desire for wife and children (a cultural and family pressure, perhaps a &quot;good&quot; one, but an outside pressure nonetheless)

*  religious teachings (see above)

*  desire for non-sexual male friends (What?  I have lots of male friends who aren&#039;t gay.  What is he talking about?  This implies that gay men only think of other men in a sexual way.  BALONEY!  You don&#039;t have to change your orientation to make friends.)

*  &quot;conscience&quot; -- does he mean a sense of right and wrong?  We are not born with conscience.  We LEARN it.  Such a sense is developed through social pressure and interaction.

*  expectation of an unhappy gay life (Such as? prejudice?  loss of job?  loss of family and friends?  gay bashing?  Tremendous bigotry and outside pressure contribute to gay unhappiness.  It doesn&#039;t occur in a vacuum.)

How can Nicolosi ignore that the fact that ALL of the factors he lists ARE outside pressures?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I especially pay attention to Koocher&#8217;s point #1 &#8212; the therapist&#8217;s ethical responsibility to fully explore why and how a client came to their decision to try to change their sexual orientation.</p>
<p>Most reparative therapists just jump right in because they believe homosexuality is sin.  &#8220;Why of COURSE, your&#8217;re unhappy&#8221;, they seem to say. &#8220;That&#8217;s because you&#8217;re gay.  Let me help you&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>For example, Nicolosi states that only 22% were motivated by &#8220;outside pressure&#8221;.  Is he kidding?  He says 77% were seeking healing of &#8220;emotional hurts&#8221; and not feeling &#8220;outside pressure&#8221;.</p>
<p>What caused these hurts?  How naive can he be?</p>
<p>He lists &#8220;other factors&#8221; but seems oblivious to the fact that all of the other factors he measured ARE &#8220;outside pressures&#8221;.  And all of these motivations are rated 60% or higher &#8212;</p>
<p>*  personal sprituality (being taught that you will go to Hell  is pressure don&#8217;t you think?)</p>
<p>*  desire for wife and children (a cultural and family pressure, perhaps a &#8220;good&#8221; one, but an outside pressure nonetheless)</p>
<p>*  religious teachings (see above)</p>
<p>*  desire for non-sexual male friends (What?  I have lots of male friends who aren&#8217;t gay.  What is he talking about?  This implies that gay men only think of other men in a sexual way.  BALONEY!  You don&#8217;t have to change your orientation to make friends.)</p>
<p>*  &#8220;conscience&#8221; &#8212; does he mean a sense of right and wrong?  We are not born with conscience.  We LEARN it.  Such a sense is developed through social pressure and interaction.</p>
<p>*  expectation of an unhappy gay life (Such as? prejudice?  loss of job?  loss of family and friends?  gay bashing?  Tremendous bigotry and outside pressure contribute to gay unhappiness.  It doesn&#8217;t occur in a vacuum.)</p>
<p>How can Nicolosi ignore that the fact that ALL of the factors he lists ARE outside pressures?</p>
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		By: Throckmorton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Throckmorton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, whoever you are...

Have a look at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sexualidentity.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sexual identity therapy guidelines &lt;/A&gt;and see if you might consider supporting them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, whoever you are&#8230;</p>
<p>Have a look at the <a href="http://www.sexualidentity.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">sexual identity therapy guidelines </a>and see if you might consider supporting them.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[WOW. I am impressed. I guess I am like you.  I have referred to EXODUS in those RARE cases where I think that supressing one&#039;s homosexuality may be the client&#039;s best chance for happiness and I really disagree with EXODUS.

Of course, when I make such referrals, I follow the APA guidelines about informed consent, homosexuality not being an illness, no scientific basis for sexual reorientation, that such organizations may actually do harm, etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW. I am impressed. I guess I am like you.  I have referred to EXODUS in those RARE cases where I think that supressing one&#8217;s homosexuality may be the client&#8217;s best chance for happiness and I really disagree with EXODUS.</p>
<p>Of course, when I make such referrals, I follow the APA guidelines about informed consent, homosexuality not being an illness, no scientific basis for sexual reorientation, that such organizations may actually do harm, etc.</p>
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