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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/08/09/protest-planned-at-apa-convention/#comment-1911</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To call homosexuality a temptation is to trivialize the attraction, dedication, self-sacrifice and love that many gay men feel for each other.  It is the abuse of sexuality (not the gender) that really matters.  God sees the heart.  I don&#039;t think he is preoccupied with the plumbing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To call homosexuality a temptation is to trivialize the attraction, dedication, self-sacrifice and love that many gay men feel for each other.  It is the abuse of sexuality (not the gender) that really matters.  God sees the heart.  I don&#8217;t think he is preoccupied with the plumbing.</p>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/08/09/protest-planned-at-apa-convention/#comment-1910</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 03:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s ironic that people feel free to ask Frank Worthen about his homosexual temptations as if they define him and his Christian walk. Here&#039;s the question they haven&#039;t asked, &quot;What sin(s) do you struggle with MOST on a daily basis?&quot; I&#039;ll wager that homosexuality isn&#039;t on the top of the list.



Every honest Christian will admit that they still have the &#039;tendency&#039;, inclination or temptation to sin in a number of areas and they wish they were somehow above these temptations.



So why attach a SPECIAL stigma to homosexual tempation?



With other sins, the presence of temptation doesn&#039;t bring the label back (i.e. the temptation to lie doesn&#039;t make you a liar; the temptation to overeat doesn&#039;t make you a glutton), why then would the presence of homosexual temptation makes a person a homosexual? The label comes with the &#039;doing&#039; or with the domination...I would concede that a person who wrestles with homosexual temptations CONTINUOUSLY might warrant the label but otherwise, it&#039;s just &#039;the flesh&#039; being tempted in an area where it once found gratification. No different than any other Christian!



(BTW: I confess...I was the Anonymous at 8:24:17.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s ironic that people feel free to ask Frank Worthen about his homosexual temptations as if they define him and his Christian walk. Here&#8217;s the question they haven&#8217;t asked, &#8220;What sin(s) do you struggle with MOST on a daily basis?&#8221; I&#8217;ll wager that homosexuality isn&#8217;t on the top of the list.</p>
<p>Every honest Christian will admit that they still have the &#8216;tendency&#8217;, inclination or temptation to sin in a number of areas and they wish they were somehow above these temptations.</p>
<p>So why attach a SPECIAL stigma to homosexual tempation?</p>
<p>With other sins, the presence of temptation doesn&#8217;t bring the label back (i.e. the temptation to lie doesn&#8217;t make you a liar; the temptation to overeat doesn&#8217;t make you a glutton), why then would the presence of homosexual temptation makes a person a homosexual? The label comes with the &#8216;doing&#8217; or with the domination&#8230;I would concede that a person who wrestles with homosexual temptations CONTINUOUSLY might warrant the label but otherwise, it&#8217;s just &#8216;the flesh&#8217; being tempted in an area where it once found gratification. No different than any other Christian!</p>
<p>(BTW: I confess&#8230;I was the Anonymous at 8:24:17.)</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/08/09/protest-planned-at-apa-convention/#comment-1909</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 01:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Correction:  Frank Worthen is a Christian

&quot;with homosexual tendencies who would rather not have those tendencies&quot;

who hasn&#039;t died yet.  Joe Dallas of EXODUS&#039;s definition of &quot;Ex-gay&quot; -- a term that Mr. Worthen still favors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction:  Frank Worthen is a Christian</p>
<p>&#8220;with homosexual tendencies who would rather not have those tendencies&#8221;</p>
<p>who hasn&#8217;t died yet.  Joe Dallas of EXODUS&#8217;s definition of &#8220;Ex-gay&#8221; &#8212; a term that Mr. Worthen still favors.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/08/09/protest-planned-at-apa-convention/#comment-1908</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding the latest anonymous posting:

 Every Christian I have spoken to admits that they are still tempted to sin.

Here&#039;s the link: Bible.

Conclusion: Frank Worthen is a Christian who hasn&#039;t died yet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the latest anonymous posting:</p>
<p> Every Christian I have spoken to admits that they are still tempted to sin.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the link: Bible.</p>
<p>Conclusion: Frank Worthen is a Christian who hasn&#8217;t died yet.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/08/09/protest-planned-at-apa-convention/#comment-1907</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whether or not Michael Bussee is &quot;insinuating&quot;&quot; that Frank Worthen is still gay, you may want to check out Mr. Worthen&#039;s own comments, as reported by Raplh Blair.  Every ex-gay I have spoken to admits that they stil have homoseuxal attraction.  Here&#039;s the link:

http://www.ecinc.org/RealChanges.htm]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether or not Michael Bussee is &#8220;insinuating&#8221;&#8221; that Frank Worthen is still gay, you may want to check out Mr. Worthen&#8217;s own comments, as reported by Raplh Blair.  Every ex-gay I have spoken to admits that they stil have homoseuxal attraction.  Here&#8217;s the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ecinc.org/RealChanges.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ecinc.org/RealChanges.htm</a></p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/08/09/protest-planned-at-apa-convention/#comment-1906</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But do you honestly think EXODUS or NARTH would be displeased if homosexuality was reclassified as an illness?   Heck no.  They would be celebrating in the streets.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But do you honestly think EXODUS or NARTH would be displeased if homosexuality was reclassified as an illness?   Heck no.  They would be celebrating in the streets.</p>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/08/09/protest-planned-at-apa-convention/#comment-1905</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Alan Chambers responded to my inquiry on Boo&#039;s behalf this morning:

 &quot;Exodusâ€™ part in the APA protest was to encourage the APA to respect a clientâ€™s right to self-determination whether they want to be gay or want to change.  No desire to see homosexuality reclassified as a mental disorder.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Chambers responded to my inquiry on Boo&#8217;s behalf this morning:</p>
<p> &#8220;Exodusâ€™ part in the APA protest was to encourage the APA to respect a clientâ€™s right to self-determination whether they want to be gay or want to change.  No desire to see homosexuality reclassified as a mental disorder.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/08/09/protest-planned-at-apa-convention/#comment-1904</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the update, Boo! Sorry about ascribing the wrong gender. I actually knew 2 guys called &quot;Boo&quot; over the years...wasn&#039;t thinking.

I made a note to ask Alan specifically if he believes homosexuality should be considered a &#039;mental disorder&#039;. Actually, he did post in response to another thread about a week ago so I hope to prompt him to revisit the site and post his own comments re this thread and/or the post convention thread.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the update, Boo! Sorry about ascribing the wrong gender. I actually knew 2 guys called &#8220;Boo&#8221; over the years&#8230;wasn&#8217;t thinking.</p>
<p>I made a note to ask Alan specifically if he believes homosexuality should be considered a &#8216;mental disorder&#8217;. Actually, he did post in response to another thread about a week ago so I hope to prompt him to revisit the site and post his own comments re this thread and/or the post convention thread.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/08/09/protest-planned-at-apa-convention/#comment-1918</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t insinuated that Frank Worthen is Gay.  Frank, himself, has admitted verablly and in his own literature that he continues (or at least DID at the time he wrote his materials) to have gay feelings.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t insinuated that Frank Worthen is Gay.  Frank, himself, has admitted verablly and in his own literature that he continues (or at least DID at the time he wrote his materials) to have gay feelings.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/08/09/protest-planned-at-apa-convention/#comment-1967</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t insinuated that Frank Worthen is Gay.  Frank, himself, has admitted verablly and in his own literature that he continues (or at least DID at the time he wrote his materials) to have gay feelings.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t insinuated that Frank Worthen is Gay.  Frank, himself, has admitted verablly and in his own literature that he continues (or at least DID at the time he wrote his materials) to have gay feelings.</p>
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