Comments on: Pruden v. LeVay in the Salt Lake Trib: My response https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/07/20/pruden-v-levay-in-the-salt-lake-trib-my-response/ A [retired] college psychology professor's observations about public policy, mental health, sexual identity, and religious issues Wed, 02 Aug 2006 00:37:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.3 By: Throckmorton https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/07/20/pruden-v-levay-in-the-salt-lake-trib-my-response/#comment-1720 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 00:37:00 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2006/07/20/pruden-v-levay-in-the-salt-lake-trib-my-response/#comment-1720 grantdale – I have no idea why you guys are gay. Never said I did.

]]> By: grantdale https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/07/20/pruden-v-levay-in-the-salt-lake-trib-my-response/#comment-1719 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 00:25:00 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2006/07/20/pruden-v-levay-in-the-salt-lake-trib-my-response/#comment-1719 Warren, I’m an engineer. Stop it, the talking that way, OK?

(Show me the raw numbers. I can work them sideways and upwards and backwards — but show me the numbers. Raw numbers.)

Even accepting your numbers, and I do not, why do 60% to 75% of gay males NOT present with “girly” childhoods?

You can make as much as you want to over the (unaccepted) 25% to 40%… but you cannot offer anything with the MAJORITY of adult gay males.

MAJORITY. That means “most”. Please explain them. You seem so dismissive of the fact that gay men do not, as a majority, follow what you are focussed on.

And please do not bring up the issue of bias, unless you can point to something. It’s a cheap and easy charge.

One could also make a variety of assumptions about a straight, anti-gay man who relies on his income from a fundamentalist Chistian college, has deep contacts with the fundamentalist religious-right and who has no contact with real, living gay people.

Warren, I’m not sure you’re quite with “it” from the way you’re talking — we don’t need to be told what being gay is all about. We are gay. Don’t do that with us, OK? Don’t try and tell us what gay is. We are. We know.

Get it?

(And for my next trick: I shall publish a research paper on the sexual lives of the staff at Grove City College. I interviewed 2 people.)

]]> By: Throckmorton https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/07/20/pruden-v-levay-in-the-salt-lake-trib-my-response/#comment-1718 Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:42:00 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2006/07/20/pruden-v-levay-in-the-salt-lake-trib-my-response/#comment-1718 Explaining variance does not translate to percentages of people. It relates to how much prediction power do we get from knowing an assessment of GNC. And compared to other factors, GNC is consistently the single largest factor. In predicting SO, there are very small effects for pre-natal factors (for instance the older brother effect may account for as little as 1% of the reason the men in the study were gay). The x-chromosome effect in moms only predict about 8% of the differences between gay sons and straight sons. GNC accounts for a large 25-40% (most studies are near 40). However, in a regression analysis, sometimes you cannot account for all of the variation and you have errort (or chance factors). It appears that a lot of what contributes to SO as a trait is chance (non-shared factors). More on this later as I am working on something for publication that will discuss this further. But no, we are not talking about percentages of people.

]]> By: grantdale https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/07/20/pruden-v-levay-in-the-salt-lake-trib-my-response/#comment-1717 Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:22:00 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2006/07/20/pruden-v-levay-in-the-salt-lake-trib-my-response/#comment-1717 Excuse me?

You just said 25% to 40% are.

This means 60% to 75% ARE NOT!!!

ie You just admitted the MAJORITY of gay men (as always, lesbians-be-gone) had typical male-conforming childhoods.

So how on Earth do you get away with “research doesn’t support you one this”????

Frankly, it seems that research doesn’t support your focus on gender non-conforming childhoods….

C’mon Warren… you just admitted that the majority of gay men were “normal” boys.

Please explain the 60%-75%.

Please explain why you are focussed on the minority.

]]> By: Throckmorton https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/07/20/pruden-v-levay-in-the-salt-lake-trib-my-response/#comment-1716 Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:24:00 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com//2006/07/20/pruden-v-levay-in-the-salt-lake-trib-my-response/#comment-1716 Research doesn’t support you on this. Gender non-conformity consistently accounts for between 25-40% of the variance in univariate and multivariate studies. Most of the people in those studies have never heard of Nicolosi or if they have they would be inclined to say anything to disagree with him.

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