However, it does seem to eliminate the impact that could have resulted from family structure variations, in other words it weakens the traditional sense of “nurture” claims.

However, as what Dr. Throckmorton postulates is not traditional nurture but rather environmental reaction to a biological propensity to atypical gender interests, this study does not threaten his position, as I see it.

Timothy

“Of course it is correct; the authors found no evidence, but the statement leaves the impression that the authors looked for all possible “social interactions between family members” and didn’t find anything. It appears they only looked a birth order.”

It appears that they did look for more than just birth order. The previous study identified a correlation with birth order. This one sought to eliminate other extraneous causal factors.

It eliminated “raised by mother”, “presence of older brothers in the household”, and “paternal older siblings or adopted siblings”. From what I’ve read (which has not yet been the full report – I’m still trying to get it) the increased rate of incidence had no correlation with these factors.

While there may be other social interactions that could have an impact specifically on younger male siblings that would not have an impact on older male siblings, I, for one, can’t think of any.

That isn’t to say that they aren’t there, but it does suggest that the most obvious ones have been eliminated.

Timothy Kincaid

(ps I’m still pondering the other matter and will get back to you shortly)

Not following why this all would end up on the NARTH website.

Even if the media doesn’t emphasize it, anyone with anecdotal knowledge of gay men recognizes that plenty of us are first-born or only children.

Grantdale, the emphasis I got from listening to Nicolosi a couple weeks ago was early intervention. To the extent he finds this study to be credible about creating what he referred to as the “predisposition to homosexuality,” I’d imagine him continuing to teach his prevention regimen: Teach your sons that danger is fun, make dad a strong figure in the household, and so on.

Nicolosi did say during his talk that boys with “the predisposition” who had older brothers nearly always had an antagonistic relationship with them.

Not sure we would call that “reparative”, strictly; but these are weird times, afterall. Every term is up for revision.

Up is down. Blue walls are Gold walls. And gay is merely “tempted by same sex attractions” 🙂

It will be interesting to thunder through the numbers though, when released. Hang on to your hair units.