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		By: Warren Throckmorton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren Throckmorton]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anonymous - Took a long time to answer, hope you are still visiting the ol blogstead.



The short answer is verbally. Talk therapy is about discharging affects in a verbal context to take the pain out of action and into reflection.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous &#8211; Took a long time to answer, hope you are still visiting the ol blogstead.</p>
<p>The short answer is verbally. Talk therapy is about discharging affects in a verbal context to take the pain out of action and into reflection.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How do you suggest clients deal with pent up anger or frustration from the past due to neglect or abuse?

I would assume there has to be a way to release that energy or resolve those feelings.

Thanks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you suggest clients deal with pent up anger or frustration from the past due to neglect or abuse?</p>
<p>I would assume there has to be a way to release that energy or resolve those feelings.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		By: George		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Dr. Throckmorton,
thank you for your thorough and thoughtful response.  I look forward to hearing more about your insights on touch and SSA as well.

I must agree with you that much more research and documentation is needed in order to determine the validity of these techniques, above the anecdotal level, in helping men overcome unwanted same sex attraction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr. Throckmorton,<br />
thank you for your thorough and thoughtful response.  I look forward to hearing more about your insights on touch and SSA as well.</p>
<p>I must agree with you that much more research and documentation is needed in order to determine the validity of these techniques, above the anecdotal level, in helping men overcome unwanted same sex attraction.</p>
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		By: Throckmorton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Throckmorton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 07:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Grace - I am not sure I am following you here. You want more people to beat up inanimate objects?

Seriously, I am not even against controlled trials of most approaches. However, one problem is that none of these things have been examined well. When it comes to SSA, psychoanalytic therapy, some behavioral therapies, cognitive behavior therapy and group therapy has been used and modestly evaluated.

Mark and I try to avoid some of the problems in that by suggesting we focus on the total client rather than the SSA and help a person construct a valued identity. This is pretty standard therapy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grace &#8211; I am not sure I am following you here. You want more people to beat up inanimate objects?</p>
<p>Seriously, I am not even against controlled trials of most approaches. However, one problem is that none of these things have been examined well. When it comes to SSA, psychoanalytic therapy, some behavioral therapies, cognitive behavior therapy and group therapy has been used and modestly evaluated.</p>
<p>Mark and I try to avoid some of the problems in that by suggesting we focus on the total client rather than the SSA and help a person construct a valued identity. This is pretty standard therapy.</p>
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		By: grace		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 05:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[nope Warren....not saying that at all...
i didn&#039;t even watch the peice so I probably should not have commented...
i am just saying that sometimes, unconventional methods do have some positive affect....and yeah...i guess i&#039;m saying that it might make anyone feel better for at least a little bit if they got their anger/agression out....maybe on a pillow...but probably at a gym...i should have watched the thing before i attempted to comment.  sorry!  i guess i just don&#039;t see how hitting a pillow is all that helpful specifically to lessening same sex attraction.  But, again, I didn&#039;t watch the piece.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nope Warren&#8230;.not saying that at all&#8230;<br />
i didn&#8217;t even watch the peice so I probably should not have commented&#8230;<br />
i am just saying that sometimes, unconventional methods do have some positive affect&#8230;.and yeah&#8230;i guess i&#8217;m saying that it might make anyone feel better for at least a little bit if they got their anger/agression out&#8230;.maybe on a pillow&#8230;but probably at a gym&#8230;i should have watched the thing before i attempted to comment.  sorry!  i guess i just don&#8217;t see how hitting a pillow is all that helpful specifically to lessening same sex attraction.  But, again, I didn&#8217;t watch the piece.</p>
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		By: grantdale		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grantdale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 05:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, they say the same thing about &quot;touchy-feely&quot; therapists too. QED...

But we said we&#039;re seeing &lt;I&gt;parallels&lt;/I&gt;, not an identical match up in all cases etc.

And, please, don&#039;t get me started on the way psych. professional bodies have long dealt with, ummm, &quot;newly emerging therapies&quot;. Thank heavens you lot don&#039;t build bridges or aircraft :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, they say the same thing about &#8220;touchy-feely&#8221; therapists too. QED&#8230;</p>
<p>But we said we&#8217;re seeing <i>parallels</i>, not an identical match up in all cases etc.</p>
<p>And, please, don&#8217;t get me started on the way psych. professional bodies have long dealt with, ummm, &#8220;newly emerging therapies&#8221;. Thank heavens you lot don&#8217;t build bridges or aircraft 🙂</p>
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		By: Throckmorton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Throckmorton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 04:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I understand that there are some similarities but there is more research about change and reactions to change than exists regarding bioenergetics. So why hasn&#039;t the APA issued an advisory about bioenergetics?

In contrast to your list, not all approaches to exgay therapy match up with the concerns you listed. This was one of the real problems from my vantage point with the CNN report. Richard Cohen is a convenient target for critics but he is not representative of all reorientation counselors, probably even all reparative therapists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that there are some similarities but there is more research about change and reactions to change than exists regarding bioenergetics. So why hasn&#8217;t the APA issued an advisory about bioenergetics?</p>
<p>In contrast to your list, not all approaches to exgay therapy match up with the concerns you listed. This was one of the real problems from my vantage point with the CNN report. Richard Cohen is a convenient target for critics but he is not representative of all reorientation counselors, probably even all reparative therapists.</p>
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		By: grace		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 04:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m just a woman with a computer and husband who&#039;s been through some of this *crap* (and some of it actually helped)....so...I know not alot that has ANY weight whatsoever.  But....it does seem to me that this particular issue so overlaps between the mind, the body, and the soul of people...until it&#039;s just almost darn impossible to figure out some sort of set &quot;formula&quot; for those who seek to change unwanted sexual attractions.
It&#039;s sad...really....that we don&#039;t have more folks trying some of these techiniques (just in case they work) to rid themselves of opposite sexual attractions.  Sexual struggle is no respector of persons, ya know?  But...that&#039;s not &quot;our&quot; issue...I get that. :)
grace]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just a woman with a computer and husband who&#8217;s been through some of this *crap* (and some of it actually helped)&#8230;.so&#8230;I know not alot that has ANY weight whatsoever.  But&#8230;.it does seem to me that this particular issue so overlaps between the mind, the body, and the soul of people&#8230;until it&#8217;s just almost darn impossible to figure out some sort of set &#8220;formula&#8221; for those who seek to change unwanted sexual attractions.<br />
It&#8217;s sad&#8230;really&#8230;.that we don&#8217;t have more folks trying some of these techiniques (just in case they work) to rid themselves of opposite sexual attractions.  Sexual struggle is no respector of persons, ya know?  But&#8230;that&#8217;s not &#8220;our&#8221; issue&#8230;I get that. 🙂<br />
grace</p>
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		By: grantdale		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grantdale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 02:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hmmm, also have that feeling you want to stop there for awhile. Oh, look, a large can of worms :)

(Who on earth has ever canned worms? And why? But I digress.)

Without wishing to get into the story of any individual -- anecdotes have a place (to find outliers that often raise further questions) --  but it does strike me that the &lt;I&gt;dynamics&lt;/I&gt; of the situations have some strong parallels to exgay therapy.

&#062; not been evaluated or researched
&#062; driven by anecdotal (and/or solicited) testimony
&#062; reports critical of techniques used
&#062; promotion of the immediate but no long-term follow-up
&#062; re-labelling of (obvious) â€œfailuresâ€
&#062; ditto, (not-obvious) â€œsuccessesâ€
&#062; triggering or tapping into other issues, possibly deliberately
&#062; issues with boundaries
&#062; generating inaccurate recollections
&#062; issues of client choice and a (professional) therapist&#039;s decision to participate
&#062; fringe and non-professional &quot;experts&quot;, many of whom aren&#039;t even qualified to drive a bus let alone mess around with such strong emotions from distraught people.

&lt;I&gt;&quot;I suppose people who have found the opposite will contest that but one cannot say that venting by beating things has a uniform outcome. There is potential for harm and worse outcomes.&quot;&lt;/I&gt;

This sounded like an echo. It was: the APA/APsA/ACA et al statements on exgay therapy. Beating a phone book with a hose. A cushion with a tennis racket. Or beating up on ones own self.

Since we&#039;re in the middle of doing it, we might just use your recent exgay guidelines as a template and see where that takes us.

&lt;I&gt;&quot;I looked for research to support these therapies&quot;.&lt;/I&gt;

Yes, well, let&#039;s not even go there... :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, also have that feeling you want to stop there for awhile. Oh, look, a large can of worms 🙂</p>
<p>(Who on earth has ever canned worms? And why? But I digress.)</p>
<p>Without wishing to get into the story of any individual &#8212; anecdotes have a place (to find outliers that often raise further questions) &#8212;  but it does strike me that the <i>dynamics</i> of the situations have some strong parallels to exgay therapy.</p>
<p>&gt; not been evaluated or researched<br />
&gt; driven by anecdotal (and/or solicited) testimony<br />
&gt; reports critical of techniques used<br />
&gt; promotion of the immediate but no long-term follow-up<br />
&gt; re-labelling of (obvious) â€œfailuresâ€<br />
&gt; ditto, (not-obvious) â€œsuccessesâ€<br />
&gt; triggering or tapping into other issues, possibly deliberately<br />
&gt; issues with boundaries<br />
&gt; generating inaccurate recollections<br />
&gt; issues of client choice and a (professional) therapist&#8217;s decision to participate<br />
&gt; fringe and non-professional &#8220;experts&#8221;, many of whom aren&#8217;t even qualified to drive a bus let alone mess around with such strong emotions from distraught people.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;I suppose people who have found the opposite will contest that but one cannot say that venting by beating things has a uniform outcome. There is potential for harm and worse outcomes.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This sounded like an echo. It was: the APA/APsA/ACA et al statements on exgay therapy. Beating a phone book with a hose. A cushion with a tennis racket. Or beating up on ones own self.</p>
<p>Since we&#8217;re in the middle of doing it, we might just use your recent exgay guidelines as a template and see where that takes us.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;I looked for research to support these therapies&#8221;.</i></p>
<p>Yes, well, let&#8217;s not even go there&#8230; 🙂</p>
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