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	Comments on: Lesbian and putative pheromone study, Part 5 &#8211; AP says they were wrong	</title>
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		By: Throckmorton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 05:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have learned that the PFOX bullying brochure has been printed without my name on it. The bullying brochure online is incorrect and will be changed. I have asked them to change the sentence in the brochure to reflect the interaction of biology and environment. I hope that happens.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have learned that the PFOX bullying brochure has been printed without my name on it. The bullying brochure online is incorrect and will be changed. I have asked them to change the sentence in the brochure to reflect the interaction of biology and environment. I hope that happens.</p>
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		By: Rollan McCleary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rollan McCleary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 11:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As an expert on gay issues from the less traveled angle of spirituality (see my A Special Illumination and its detailed summary for Review of Biblical Literature at     http://www.bookreviews.org/pdf/4656_4760.pdf  I have tried, mostly in vain, to get all parties to look at a different possibility. It is one that Christians especially should consider when they seek to make sense of (or just avoid) â€œsome are born eunuchs from their mothersâ€™ wombsâ€ (Mt.19:12). Scholarly evidence is mounting that eunuch was a possible term for what we understand today as someone not attracted to the opposite sex or â€œhomosexualâ€, not invariably someone castrated or sexually inactive.

But if Jesus really understood some people are born gay then that would be an essentialist position  seemingly challenged by constructionist interpretations of identity and all Christian claims of â€œcureâ€ too (dubious though many of these seem to be). So is there and could there ever be any way beyond the genetic and physical of knowing who is naturally homosexual and why some claim cure or appear to have floating sexual identities? Actually  there are at least  two ways but almost  no one wants to  examine or even admit them.

The fact is that homosexuality, originally associated with religious rites, should be regarded as a spiritual condition before a sexual one. It therefore maybe itself needs to be perceived in spiritual or â€œesotericâ€ ways - everything from the aura to the stars. When the psychiatrist, C.G Jung, came up against a brick wall (like that presented today by homosexuality) he cast the horoscopes which some modern Christians, (who seem to imagine the Magi must have been devil worshippers) wonâ€™t consider but which increasingly psychiatrists are doing â€“ many are applying to professional astrologers to cast them. Surprisingly this can turns up excellent information for gay issues albeit even some astrologers will deny this but mainly because they donâ€™t know what to look for or to use - many arenâ€™t even aware that such as a Part of Homosexuality exists. Though itâ€™s impossible to summarize  all thatâ€™s involved one could say that especially certain aspects to Uranus can indicate â€œnaturalâ€, innate homosexuality (essentialist thesis) while what are called â€œafflictedâ€ aspects to Neptune almost invariably support dissolved boundaries, floating identities and often bisexuality (constructionist viewpoint) but sometimes also great neurosis and guilt and a susceptibility to â€œcureâ€ - meaning in effect  a degree of direction the natal factor tends to lack. I am not inventing this but I have discussed it with a psychotherapist who couldnâ€™t imagine how I could describe to him what he was treating by just horoscope factors.

East and West it has also always been said that innate homosexuality is  visible by the different shape and vibration of the aura or body electric, according to those claiming to be able to see such things. Itâ€™s  a difficult claim but one which Christian doctrines of soul should at least be willing to listen to and one must assume such as Jesus who is reported as reading minds would be able to read any auras too. Perhaps the main thing to stress, though, is that authentic homosexuality or third sex status is a spirituality, a temperament and worldview before it is anything sexual so that that is what any therapy has to look at. But itâ€™s also true secular liberationists no more want to consider this possibility than some Christians. Their aim  is to affirm equality by stressing a sameness of personality which is not in fact the case.for the great majority who if anything are repressing difference along with  spirituality in a secular world most of the time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an expert on gay issues from the less traveled angle of spirituality (see my A Special Illumination and its detailed summary for Review of Biblical Literature at     <a href="http://www.bookreviews.org/pdf/4656_4760.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bookreviews.org/pdf/4656_4760.pdf</a>  I have tried, mostly in vain, to get all parties to look at a different possibility. It is one that Christians especially should consider when they seek to make sense of (or just avoid) â€œsome are born eunuchs from their mothersâ€™ wombsâ€ (Mt.19:12). Scholarly evidence is mounting that eunuch was a possible term for what we understand today as someone not attracted to the opposite sex or â€œhomosexualâ€, not invariably someone castrated or sexually inactive.</p>
<p>But if Jesus really understood some people are born gay then that would be an essentialist position  seemingly challenged by constructionist interpretations of identity and all Christian claims of â€œcureâ€ too (dubious though many of these seem to be). So is there and could there ever be any way beyond the genetic and physical of knowing who is naturally homosexual and why some claim cure or appear to have floating sexual identities? Actually  there are at least  two ways but almost  no one wants to  examine or even admit them.</p>
<p>The fact is that homosexuality, originally associated with religious rites, should be regarded as a spiritual condition before a sexual one. It therefore maybe itself needs to be perceived in spiritual or â€œesotericâ€ ways &#8211; everything from the aura to the stars. When the psychiatrist, C.G Jung, came up against a brick wall (like that presented today by homosexuality) he cast the horoscopes which some modern Christians, (who seem to imagine the Magi must have been devil worshippers) wonâ€™t consider but which increasingly psychiatrists are doing â€“ many are applying to professional astrologers to cast them. Surprisingly this can turns up excellent information for gay issues albeit even some astrologers will deny this but mainly because they donâ€™t know what to look for or to use &#8211; many arenâ€™t even aware that such as a Part of Homosexuality exists. Though itâ€™s impossible to summarize  all thatâ€™s involved one could say that especially certain aspects to Uranus can indicate â€œnaturalâ€, innate homosexuality (essentialist thesis) while what are called â€œafflictedâ€ aspects to Neptune almost invariably support dissolved boundaries, floating identities and often bisexuality (constructionist viewpoint) but sometimes also great neurosis and guilt and a susceptibility to â€œcureâ€ &#8211; meaning in effect  a degree of direction the natal factor tends to lack. I am not inventing this but I have discussed it with a psychotherapist who couldnâ€™t imagine how I could describe to him what he was treating by just horoscope factors.</p>
<p>East and West it has also always been said that innate homosexuality is  visible by the different shape and vibration of the aura or body electric, according to those claiming to be able to see such things. Itâ€™s  a difficult claim but one which Christian doctrines of soul should at least be willing to listen to and one must assume such as Jesus who is reported as reading minds would be able to read any auras too. Perhaps the main thing to stress, though, is that authentic homosexuality or third sex status is a spirituality, a temperament and worldview before it is anything sexual so that that is what any therapy has to look at. But itâ€™s also true secular liberationists no more want to consider this possibility than some Christians. Their aim  is to affirm equality by stressing a sameness of personality which is not in fact the case.for the great majority who if anything are repressing difference along with  spirituality in a secular world most of the time.</p>
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		By: grantdale		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grantdale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 09:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren: OK, got ya.

(You know I diary these reminders... autistic tendencies with a mind like a sieve, an unfortunate combination.)

That&#039;s encouraging. No, really.

Given it&#039;s simply an online pdf, that &lt;I&gt;should&lt;/I&gt; be a two minute job. If only to remove a name, if nothing else. What a shonky, disreputable outfit they are.

And given a common link person -- presume you didn&#039;t get a leg up for the Exodus junket to Barbados either; in support of the current criminal laws. Pity, could have given your post-Winter pallor a bit of a pre-Summer treatment :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren: OK, got ya.</p>
<p>(You know I diary these reminders&#8230; autistic tendencies with a mind like a sieve, an unfortunate combination.)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s encouraging. No, really.</p>
<p>Given it&#8217;s simply an online pdf, that <i>should</i> be a two minute job. If only to remove a name, if nothing else. What a shonky, disreputable outfit they are.</p>
<p>And given a common link person &#8212; presume you didn&#8217;t get a leg up for the Exodus junket to Barbados either; in support of the current criminal laws. Pity, could have given your post-Winter pallor a bit of a pre-Summer treatment 🙂</p>
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		By: Throckmorton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Throckmorton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 05:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I appreciate the correction but I maintain that the interpretation of the study as detracting from a learning model was overreaching. The study authors agree with me on this.

Re: PFOX. I have repeatedly asked that it be fixed. I am not sure what is going on over there right now. We are not on the same page on several things at present. I don&#039;t know if that is a part of it or not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the correction but I maintain that the interpretation of the study as detracting from a learning model was overreaching. The study authors agree with me on this.</p>
<p>Re: PFOX. I have repeatedly asked that it be fixed. I am not sure what is going on over there right now. We are not on the same page on several things at present. I don&#8217;t know if that is a part of it or not.</p>
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		By: grantdale		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grantdale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 04:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Urgh, it would have helped if we&#039;d have put the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pfox.org/Downloads/pfoxbullyproof[3].pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;correct link&lt;/A&gt; in too...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urgh, it would have helped if we&#8217;d have put the <a href="http://www.pfox.org/Downloads/pfoxbullyproof[3].pdf" rel="nofollow">correct link</a> in too&#8230;</p>
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