I meant to sign that.

Timothy Kincaid

some folks are content if they can simply learn to live celibate. That may be enough “change” for them.

I wish ex-gay groups were a bit more honest about what they mean by “change” (ok, a lot more honest) and not hide behind vague terms. If they went on TV and said “I don’t have sex” that wouldn’t make very good television so they say “I’m ex-gay” or “a former homosexual” or “I’ve changed” and let the audience believe that they’ve gone from a homosexual orientation to a heterosexual orientation.

I hate the deceit. But if that kind of change is enough for Chad, that’s fine with me – as long as he gives full disclosure.

Rob, you’re not “going all Mormon” on us are you 🙂

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BTW: (unrelated tip for free) try Manila for frantic undergarment shopping blowout.

Makati. 8? mega-shopping malls face each other. Much of said product is sewn in Manila and exported under expensive labels.

All you need to tolerate is two charming shop girls (per shopper) who run ahead and un-box stuff if you even so much as roll your eyes that direction. No dear, I DO NOT want that ugly leopard-print thong thing… (do I look like a 60 year old German man??? Don’t answer that…)

And the prices! We threw out all our skanky old undies from 3 months of backbacking in Vietnam and came home with a squillion 2(x)ist blah blah blah. The local “Bench” brand is very good value too. Very good.

Loved Manila! Charming, steaming, heaving, crazy Asia. The locals are delightful.

Ha! And Warren never guessed his blog would ever be used to promote excessive use of “foundation garments” 🙂

Chad, there are more ethical ways to make money on the ex-gay myth. How about ex-gay underwear, guaranteed by god to provide that extra heterosexual umph to your genitals. At least you can wear the underwear. What can you do with false information?

That was us Rob, grantdale. Very not anonymous grantdale.

Big diff. 🙂

Chad may not be online at the moment. If you’ve followed his blog etc, this happens from time to time. All part of running a busy exgay francise I guess.

In any case, the particular use of words in the message — pHelps(sic) or Thompson — doesn’t cut much ice with us. (One of us attempts NOT to do that sort of “re-framing” for a living!)

It almost like watching a “new” ad for Coke. yep, same babes jumping on beach. same dudes snowboarding. Snazzy new song and slogan.

Nope. It’s always ALWAYS been always about getting people to guzzle down more of that brown, sugared, fizzy water.

Yeah, right, it’s still Coke.

What annoys me so much about people like Chad is that groups like CWFA have brought these people to capitol hill to lobby politicians to maintain our status as outcasts. Chad creates the illusion that sexual orientation is a choice, either choose to enter a Christian treatment program and become a heterosexual, or choose no treatment and effectively choose to be a homosexual.

Also, I did e-mail Chad the question if he had opposite-sex lust, but he will not respond.

It probably would be a good idea to email Chad, if you wish. He does say he’s willing to take such emails.

That said: Chad has had a deal to say in public. Leaving aside the fact Chad has never “done” anything gay — he basically exgayed himself in adolescence — his “living as a heterosexual” appears less than one would expect of either a straight or bisexual man. Try [1] and [2] for example (both chosen because they are so generous with Chad).

As for taking his words on trust alone: personally, no. Not since some rather astounding exchanges at ExGayWatch, repeated here at Warren’s blog. I still cannot image what possessed him in, of all places, somewhere people were more than likely to be familiar with certain info. [3] [4] and [5].

Those exchanges are particularly interesting given that the falsehoods were not only plainly obvious, but also completely unnecessary. For me it raises concerns about what Chad would be prepared to say in less knowledgeable or challenging forums. For whatever reason, or even without one.

None of this alters, of course, Chad’s right to live anyway he wants, aspire to anything he wants or claim anything he wants. 🙂