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		By: Rob		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/04/04/update-on-pfoxs-eviction-from-vsca-conference/#comment-1271</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, Grantdale, I&#039;m very impressed.  I couldn&#039;t have said it any better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Grantdale, I&#8217;m very impressed.  I couldn&#8217;t have said it any better.</p>
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		By: grantdale		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/04/04/update-on-pfoxs-eviction-from-vsca-conference/#comment-1270</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grantdale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, I&#039;m not neglecting Bem&#039;s work. I have had that paper for quite some time -- urgh, let me look, yes 2000. Bem actually did the work in 1997 (I&#039;ve also made a note here about &quot;see Burr&quot; -- I presume it&#039;s Chandler Burr, but cannot recall what that&#039;s directly referring to. ???)

One more delay while I retrieve a journal... um, nope. Not much help, other than the pathways can be flipped around (which screws up Bem&#039;s logic entirely -- unless you want to argue genes cause peer group alienation and then gender non-conformity... and that &quot;fits&quot; just as well too, despite being rather ludicrous.)

I&#039;m blithering. It would help it I dug it all out &#039;cause I&#039;m sure not going to remember it just by trying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I&#8217;m not neglecting Bem&#8217;s work. I have had that paper for quite some time &#8212; urgh, let me look, yes 2000. Bem actually did the work in 1997 (I&#8217;ve also made a note here about &#8220;see Burr&#8221; &#8212; I presume it&#8217;s Chandler Burr, but cannot recall what that&#8217;s directly referring to. ???)</p>
<p>One more delay while I retrieve a journal&#8230; um, nope. Not much help, other than the pathways can be flipped around (which screws up Bem&#8217;s logic entirely &#8212; unless you want to argue genes cause peer group alienation and then gender non-conformity&#8230; and that &#8220;fits&#8221; just as well too, despite being rather ludicrous.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m blithering. It would help it I dug it all out &#8217;cause I&#8217;m sure not going to remember it just by trying.</p>
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		By: grantdale		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/04/04/update-on-pfoxs-eviction-from-vsca-conference/#comment-1269</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grantdale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, a VPN is a Virtual Private Network.

We run broadband over a wireless network, basically, with security installed both on the (four!) PCs and the wireless device. And if you make it too secure... it will stop lots of pages that you wish it did not.

But we also boosted the range, and now we not only sit out in the yard and pretend to be working on sunny days but can even take the laptops for a walk around the block. If we felt like being complete geeks, I guess.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, a VPN is a Virtual Private Network.</p>
<p>We run broadband over a wireless network, basically, with security installed both on the (four!) PCs and the wireless device. And if you make it too secure&#8230; it will stop lots of pages that you wish it did not.</p>
<p>But we also boosted the range, and now we not only sit out in the yard and pretend to be working on sunny days but can even take the laptops for a walk around the block. If we felt like being complete geeks, I guess.</p>
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		By: Throckmorton		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/04/04/update-on-pfoxs-eviction-from-vsca-conference/#comment-1268</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Throckmorton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I researching the other points.

I think you minimize the importance of Bem&#039;s analysis of Bailey&#039;s data. He published this in Archives of Sexual Behavior and is available on his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dbem.ws/Biological%20Correlates.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;website&lt;/A&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I researching the other points.</p>
<p>I think you minimize the importance of Bem&#8217;s analysis of Bailey&#8217;s data. He published this in Archives of Sexual Behavior and is available on his <a href="http://www.dbem.ws/Biological%20Correlates.pdf" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>
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		By: grantdale		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/04/04/update-on-pfoxs-eviction-from-vsca-conference/#comment-1267</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grantdale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, it wasn&#039;t Bem&#039;s analysis -- Bailey himself provided unpublished data. It was a horrid mess of tangled K-scores vs (often conflicting) perceptions of childhood gender conformity then, and I&#039;m not sure if Bem has independently been back to it since. (I know I certainly haven&#039;t -- once was enough! I got all sorts of answers.) If I remember, Bailey eventually published 3? years later.

Anyhoo,

Considering the scalding comments you had about the teachers&#039; resources (not distributed to students) in the MCPS health lessons I find it rather extraordinary that you&#039;d suggest a school &lt;I&gt;counselor&lt;/I&gt; should nevertheless rely on PFOX/your brochure.

These wouldn&#039;t be students half asleep in class listening to someone drone on about generalities, but someone who was looking for advice and answers about themself. Inaccurate or misleading information is even less acceptable in such a circumstance.

And I know, I know what you say about what your views are -- but why does this keep happening? You did actually author it didn&#039;t you?

I guess you weren&#039;t bothered by the other three points.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it wasn&#8217;t Bem&#8217;s analysis &#8212; Bailey himself provided unpublished data. It was a horrid mess of tangled K-scores vs (often conflicting) perceptions of childhood gender conformity then, and I&#8217;m not sure if Bem has independently been back to it since. (I know I certainly haven&#8217;t &#8212; once was enough! I got all sorts of answers.) If I remember, Bailey eventually published 3? years later.</p>
<p>Anyhoo,</p>
<p>Considering the scalding comments you had about the teachers&#8217; resources (not distributed to students) in the MCPS health lessons I find it rather extraordinary that you&#8217;d suggest a school <i>counselor</i> should nevertheless rely on PFOX/your brochure.</p>
<p>These wouldn&#8217;t be students half asleep in class listening to someone drone on about generalities, but someone who was looking for advice and answers about themself. Inaccurate or misleading information is even less acceptable in such a circumstance.</p>
<p>And I know, I know what you say about what your views are &#8212; but why does this keep happening? You did actually author it didn&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>I guess you weren&#8217;t bothered by the other three points.</p>
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