I think the point was that he told his brothers, thus disrespecting his father, which was kind of a big no-no.

Personally I never got why that curse “proved” non-white races were inferior. But, hey I must be wrong — it was the traditional accepted bible-based explanation for a very long time.

Wonder when it was dropped. (note to self: look up curse of Ham, history)

Has anyone told the lesbian “gayby boom” about this???

And I cannot read Gen 9:20-24 as about incest or homosexuality. Seeing your Dad in the nuddy, yes. In any case I cannot imagine why you’d blame the son for that, considering it was the father who passed out pissed as a newt and exposed his saggy derriere to the whole World.

It would take a particular internal dialogue, rather than the words themself, to convert that into incest or homosexuality.

And odd — but I thought this whole Dad nude thing was encouraged to ensure your son didn’t turn gay?

How confusing these people are.

Yes, sort of, no. Ack.

I should have used “bible literalist” instead of conservative. You were right to pick that up Grace, even if CK did end up the interpretation I meant. Sort of.

I meant those who believe it to be the literal truth. That it really did happen that way. I take it Grace you aren’t “one of those” 🙂

But I also think it is an “inspired” story, in the sense that someone/s did weave the story together and it’s a good one. Whether the ideas were poked into someone’s head by God, or someone had waaay too much wine one evening, or however. It simply seeks to illustrate the place of man (and women) in this World etc, as do most of the creation stories from the Torah. A story guiding one to “greater truths” (note the deliberate little “t”!)

But I also have no idea of the original text has been corrupted along the way. Find me an original text, and we can go check if it has…

I do know that the Jewish creation story parallels much older creation stories. Stepping back and noticing that men and women have been getting together for eons and wondering “what does THAT all mean?” seems a fairly universal question. The answer need not be exlusionary, as far as gay men and women are concerned, any more than should be the general observation that we are “all” born with 2 arms and 2 legs.

And CK — I’m stunned. I thought God created Adam and Steve, and Eve and Eva, and John, and Mary, and Warren, and DL, and, well, EVERYONE!