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	Comments on: More on the 60 Minutes Gay or Straight Segment	</title>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/03/14/more-on-the-60-minutes-gay-or-straight-segment/#comment-1177</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The question Leslie Stahl asked Michael Bailey was a very good one. This view of men, whether heterosexual or homosexual, being more interested in anonymous sex than women, is largely due to Donald Symons&#039;s famous book on the evolution of human sexuality.

Symons concluded that the fact that men were more interested in casual sex than women regardless of whether they were gay or straight showed that this  tendency was a more basic part of male sexuality than preference for the same or the opposite sex. This seems highly plausible, and should worry anyone who thinks sexual orientation is biologically determined.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question Leslie Stahl asked Michael Bailey was a very good one. This view of men, whether heterosexual or homosexual, being more interested in anonymous sex than women, is largely due to Donald Symons&#8217;s famous book on the evolution of human sexuality.</p>
<p>Symons concluded that the fact that men were more interested in casual sex than women regardless of whether they were gay or straight showed that this  tendency was a more basic part of male sexuality than preference for the same or the opposite sex. This seems highly plausible, and should worry anyone who thinks sexual orientation is biologically determined.</p>
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		By: grantdale		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/03/14/more-on-the-60-minutes-gay-or-straight-segment/#comment-1176</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grantdale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You may feel that way. It&#039;s worth asking though: what &lt;I&gt;proof&lt;/I&gt; would you require?

Related to that, and I know I&#039;ve asked before: I would still like you to outline what you believe these inconsistencies are. You often mention they exist, but I&#039;ve yet to see you lay out what they are (and why you think they are an inconsistency).

While you may not want to state what you think will eventually be concluded at this point, you should at least be able to say what remains unanswered for you. Yes?

I&#039;m not going to speculate here what your motives may be, but we&#039;d have to consider there is a real possiblity that you are playing with &quot;God of the gaps&quot; in order to promote doubt in and of itself. This, of course, helps many avoid a crisis of faith...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may feel that way. It&#8217;s worth asking though: what <i>proof</i> would you require?</p>
<p>Related to that, and I know I&#8217;ve asked before: I would still like you to outline what you believe these inconsistencies are. You often mention they exist, but I&#8217;ve yet to see you lay out what they are (and why you think they are an inconsistency).</p>
<p>While you may not want to state what you think will eventually be concluded at this point, you should at least be able to say what remains unanswered for you. Yes?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to speculate here what your motives may be, but we&#8217;d have to consider there is a real possiblity that you are playing with &#8220;God of the gaps&#8221; in order to promote doubt in and of itself. This, of course, helps many avoid a crisis of faith&#8230;</p>
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		By: Throckmorton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Throckmorton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 19:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seems more reasonable to me to take a more tentative approach when there are so many inconsistencies in the evidence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems more reasonable to me to take a more tentative approach when there are so many inconsistencies in the evidence.</p>
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		By: grantdale		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/03/14/more-on-the-60-minutes-gay-or-straight-segment/#comment-1174</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grantdale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 06:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see why the two statements are incompatible.

There remain many unanswered questions. That does not alter the fact that solid evidence for a biological basis for sexual attraction has emerged. Obviously those researchers are convinced about that. The question remaining is not &lt;I&gt;whether&lt;/I&gt; there is such a basis, but the exact &lt;I&gt;mechanism/s&lt;/I&gt; of it.

Here&#039;s a good illustation for the readers: go play &quot;20 Questions&quot; with a bunch of kids. If they manage to correctly piece together the answer &lt;I&gt;before&lt;/I&gt; they&#039;ve been given all questions... you just observed the scientific method in action.

Knowing, after just 2 Yes/No questions, that the object is both &quot;big&quot; and &quot;a bird&quot; answers a great deal about what the object is not. You can sure it&#039;s not a whale. Or a gay man.

Whether it&#039;s an ostrich, rhea, cassowary or emu remains to be determined.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see why the two statements are incompatible.</p>
<p>There remain many unanswered questions. That does not alter the fact that solid evidence for a biological basis for sexual attraction has emerged. Obviously those researchers are convinced about that. The question remaining is not <i>whether</i> there is such a basis, but the exact <i>mechanism/s</i> of it.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a good illustation for the readers: go play &#8220;20 Questions&#8221; with a bunch of kids. If they manage to correctly piece together the answer <i>before</i> they&#8217;ve been given all questions&#8230; you just observed the scientific method in action.</p>
<p>Knowing, after just 2 Yes/No questions, that the object is both &#8220;big&#8221; and &#8220;a bird&#8221; answers a great deal about what the object is not. You can sure it&#8217;s not a whale. Or a gay man.</p>
<p>Whether it&#8217;s an ostrich, rhea, cassowary or emu remains to be determined.</p>
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		By: Boo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 06:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are a lot of similarities between Bailey and John Money, at least style-wise. Both make sweeping generalizations from very limited or even fictional data. Both have had serious ethical problems. Both seem to have made names for themselves based primarily on the public image and attitude they cultivated rather than the strength of their actual scientific work. Basically, Bailey knows how to give a good sound bite. It takes some digging and some technical knowledge to get to his fallacies, and the modern media isn&#039;t really set up to do that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of similarities between Bailey and John Money, at least style-wise. Both make sweeping generalizations from very limited or even fictional data. Both have had serious ethical problems. Both seem to have made names for themselves based primarily on the public image and attitude they cultivated rather than the strength of their actual scientific work. Basically, Bailey knows how to give a good sound bite. It takes some digging and some technical knowledge to get to his fallacies, and the modern media isn&#8217;t really set up to do that.</p>
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