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	Comments on: Thinking out loud: Gay and straight pride is just pride	</title>
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		By: Introfeel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A lot of mainstream churches are rather cultish in their practised doctrinal beliefs.  They say they believe in grace and redemption, but in action they condemn sinners to the pits of Hell very quickly, especially gays.  Yes, I think this has a lot to do with pride...the I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not like that sinner syndrome in all its glory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of mainstream churches are rather cultish in their practised doctrinal beliefs.  They say they believe in grace and redemption, but in action they condemn sinners to the pits of Hell very quickly, especially gays.  Yes, I think this has a lot to do with pride&#8230;the I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not like that sinner syndrome in all its glory.</p>
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		By: grantdale		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2006/02/22/thinking-out-loud-gay-and-straight-pride-is-just-pride/#comment-1050</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 05:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry ck -- I missed that word in your post.

I could have saved myself some brainwracking!

And I&#039;ve just noticed the paragraph that starts &quot;He is more than right...&quot; was meant to all be in italics. It reads like it&#039;s addressed specifically to Warren, as the other paragraphs were, and it wasn&#039;t meant to be. It&#039;s a more general statement, for anyone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry ck &#8212; I missed that word in your post.</p>
<p>I could have saved myself some brainwracking!</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve just noticed the paragraph that starts &#8220;He is more than right&#8230;&#8221; was meant to all be in italics. It reads like it&#8217;s addressed specifically to Warren, as the other paragraphs were, and it wasn&#8217;t meant to be. It&#8217;s a more general statement, for anyone.</p>
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		By: Boo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No Grant and Dale, it&#039;s definitely narcissism, just like the narcissism of Steven Spielberg:

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/Summaries/V97I2P51-1.htm

or that of many black people:

http://www.blink.org.uk/print.asp?key=9820

http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6772429/a/Proud+To+Be+Black.htm

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/nation/13255636.htm

yes, truly narcissism all around!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Grant and Dale, it&#8217;s definitely narcissism, just like the narcissism of Steven Spielberg:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.commentarymagazine.com/Summaries/V97I2P51-1.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.commentarymagazine.com/Summaries/V97I2P51-1.htm</a></p>
<p>or that of many black people:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.blink.org.uk/print.asp?key=9820" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.blink.org.uk/print.asp?key=9820</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6772429/a/Proud+To+Be+Black.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6772429/a/Proud+To+Be+Black.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/nation/13255636.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/nation/13255636.htm</a></p>
<p>yes, truly narcissism all around!</p>
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		By: grantdale		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Part II :)

I just remembered the word I was looking for in the above post: &lt;I&gt;grateful&lt;/I&gt;. Sorry, brain cell that was stored in must have gone to sleep.

There isn&#039;t a day that goes by, even when we are in disagreement over something ultimately trivial, when I am not grateful: about me, for him, because of &quot;us&quot;.

That is the word I tend to use, in conversation. You&#039;d be wrong to interpret it as pride.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part II 🙂</p>
<p>I just remembered the word I was looking for in the above post: <i>grateful</i>. Sorry, brain cell that was stored in must have gone to sleep.</p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t a day that goes by, even when we are in disagreement over something ultimately trivial, when I am not grateful: about me, for him, because of &#8220;us&#8221;.</p>
<p>That is the word I tend to use, in conversation. You&#8217;d be wrong to interpret it as pride.</p>
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		By: grantdale		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren,

If you think, and pass on, that being self-assured and/or proud of your relationship (or your intention of one) is nothing but narcissism; then you are not normalizing disagreement. You are trying to turn one side into a pathology.

I assume you wouldn&#039;t consider heterosexual man or woman asking (and expecting) people to attend their public wedding, or demanding that people treat their partner with at least polite respect are infatuated with &lt;I&gt;themself&lt;/I&gt;.

When I stand up to an insult hurled at my relationship I am defending &lt;I&gt;him&lt;/I&gt;, not myself.

He is more than right for me and a good person, thank you for asking, and to suggest otherwise is just plain rude and insulting. You are entitled to them, but may keep those views to yourself and I will not be silent if you decide to do otherwise.

I&#039;d expect you to do the same if someone behaved that way regarding your own family. Actually, I&#039;d support you and ask that the rude person shut-up. That doesn&#039;t make you prideful, let alone narcissistic.

I  find it interesting that you did not describe the personal religious beliefs of the parents etc as selfish or narcissim, or attempt to turn their behaviour into a pathology.

Frankly, have you ever considered that your own low regard for gay people or their relationships is itself selfish and self-infactuated?

(I assume you&#039;re addressing the personal here; as &quot;Pride Day&quot; etc has entirely different dynamic with a deliberate public and political statement to make.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren,</p>
<p>If you think, and pass on, that being self-assured and/or proud of your relationship (or your intention of one) is nothing but narcissism; then you are not normalizing disagreement. You are trying to turn one side into a pathology.</p>
<p>I assume you wouldn&#8217;t consider heterosexual man or woman asking (and expecting) people to attend their public wedding, or demanding that people treat their partner with at least polite respect are infatuated with <i>themself</i>.</p>
<p>When I stand up to an insult hurled at my relationship I am defending <i>him</i>, not myself.</p>
<p>He is more than right for me and a good person, thank you for asking, and to suggest otherwise is just plain rude and insulting. You are entitled to them, but may keep those views to yourself and I will not be silent if you decide to do otherwise.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d expect you to do the same if someone behaved that way regarding your own family. Actually, I&#8217;d support you and ask that the rude person shut-up. That doesn&#8217;t make you prideful, let alone narcissistic.</p>
<p>I  find it interesting that you did not describe the personal religious beliefs of the parents etc as selfish or narcissim, or attempt to turn their behaviour into a pathology.</p>
<p>Frankly, have you ever considered that your own low regard for gay people or their relationships is itself selfish and self-infactuated?</p>
<p>(I assume you&#8217;re addressing the personal here; as &#8220;Pride Day&#8221; etc has entirely different dynamic with a deliberate public and political statement to make.)</p>
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