People can make their own minds up: here and here. Did you lie? And what do we call people who lie?

Whatever next — you’re going to claim we “took it out of context” when you said you didn’t go into schools?

Sheeesh. Sorry Warren.

Interesting, but Chad perhaps we need to move away from beliefs and into the realms of science?

I was making that statement as a matter of personal observation, not as a scientist.

About Cameron, I already told you that you have taken my position out of context but you continue to do so, and even tell people on exgaywatch that I am a liar.

I have not read all of Cameron’s research, but I disagree with most of what I have read. In the CT article quote I said that “some” of these findings are true. I did not get specfic about which parts I agreed with and which parts I did not agree with becuase that was not the point of the article. CT wouldn’t have even let me put that in there, they would have edited it out becuase that was not the point of the article.

I was quoting Cameron to point out how ridiculous it would be to apply his findings to every single gay and lesbian person. I know you don’t believe me grantdale, you see a sinister agenda behind every word I type, and I don’t really blame you either. I think if I were in your place I would be skeptical towards the ex-gay movement as well. What’s important is that we continue to seek truth, and that we treat each other with kindness even where we disagree.

BTW I posted this on exgaywatch as well since that is where you initially called me a liar.

All the best,
Chad

Interesting, but Chad perhaps we need to move away from beliefs and into the realms of science?

Regardless — you do, however, also believe that anyone gay can become straight; just as David does. Why?

If this is your own comforting narrative, fine. But it’s very harmful to others, even if you do believe they will be dead by age 42.

And with that sweeping statement, Foster is off and running.

When asked why the ex-ex-gay had not changed, despite all his efforts Foster replies:

“Well, it may have been an ex-gay ministry that didn’t know what they were doing. It may have been that he wasn’t willing to do all of what it takes. It may have been that they were unable to discover all of the issues that needed to be healed. and “you have to really want to change, or it’s not going to happen.”

This is why that ex-gay message is dangerous to the overwhelming majority of gay men and women. They claim anyone can change — an utterly false claim — and blame the individual when they do not.

It is they who need to find another group. They need to try harder, be more desperate to change. It’s your fault you do not change.

And let’s not forget to mention the cause…

“Homosexual confusion develops usually from trauma, whether it’s abuse or neglect.” and “[ex-gay groups] heal the underlying cause. Whether it is a failure to bond with your father-figure. A failure to bond with your mother, child abuse.”

No response from Foster when the ex-ex-gay stated that there was no such history with him but perhaps this was but another criticism that may be blown off because those “come from gay activists”.

I guess this is what you meant by “This was so stereotyped I could not believe it.”

Perhaps you may like to take that up with David Kyle Foster next Exodus get-together or whenever.

(And it wasn’t GLSEN. It was Williams from the GSA Network.)