Sorry for my mistakes in English, too 🙂

I`ve read carefully your article and really glad that you have done this research.

I have translated some parts of it into Russian and plan to publish it at our site.

Still I want to make some remarks.

I understand that you were writing to show that reorientation therapy does positive effect, and because of this you have used the same measurement tools as Liddle.

But don`t you think that it`s just a waste of time to convince the opposite side with their own arms instead of developing new tools for those who are already convinced?

For me, for ex., it`ll be more helpful if you try to find which particular steps of tech. 14, 16 & 17 give more positive results and which simply do not work. Perhaps, if you could show what really works it would be more impressive for the gay-affirming party also.

Only when you identify these steps, you can show that smb. who is in opposition, that he did not take some crucial steps and because of this failed.

Perhaps it was half-done in Shildo & Shroeder study, but it looks unfinished. The books of reorientation therapists such as J.Nikolosi or the sites as PeopleCanChange also contain such data, but sometimes just quick and at the same time qualitive scientific review needed.

Inspite of all the critique I want to thank you for all research you are doing and to wich you peace from above!

Skeptical, me??? If it’s been sustained this long, rest in comfort knowing it can be sustained awhile longer. Even I was an agnostic about gravity until that awful ballooning accident off the Malay Peninsula. I decided not to trust hot air at that point. And still don’t.

Regarding follow up, I intend to do this as best I can for a follow up report. So just keep your skepticism alive for awhile longer. Stay tuned.

Warren if I wasn’t clear, I apologise. Perhaps I should not have used slang. (on a blog???)

I wanted to know how many would suffer some consequence (instinsic or extrinsic) if they said something that indicated to others that they were still homosexually interested/attracted/aroused/whatever. I’m not sure how else I can word this other than turning to legaleeze. I’m not interested to know you interviewed Alan Chambers. His response we already can predict, for now.

And don’t you think the knowing how many are STILL exgay is the question??? These intervies were 3+ years ago.

Without you placing these names off with a trustworthy someone else for oversight, how will anyone ever accept what you report? Actually SOME will, I’m sure.

This isn’t a matter of you being an honest person or not (that doesn’t even come into it) – it’s basic verifiable research techniques. Hand the data over to an “enemy”, and then allow anyone compare notes in 5 years time.

I presume you’re still contemplating the other questions, in between enlightening the sprog of GCC feepayers 🙂

Looking back over the participants, by grantdale’s definition of “ex-gay or related ministry,” there were 6 people who would qualify. Four of those people, while still ex-gay are not now in such positions. Believe it or not, that is how is was.

I do not know for certain how many people are still ex-gay. I know most of them are but this question is why I want to conduct longitudinal research.

Could you name at least one not-antigay exgay group for me? A few names would be even better. You’ve said that few exist, so I presume it shouldn’t be too difficult to list them. I am more than prepared to check them out and report back.

Also, who did you exgay with?

(And, honestly “compassion” is a dead give-away — you DO think there’s something wrong with “us”. Care to specify that?)

I think you are mixing up ex-gay people with anti-gay people. They are not the same thing.

You’ll excuse the presumption knowing the most famous “testimonial” histories. Without knowing who you are, we make no comment.

We also resent the exgay campaign that presents us as useless, society-damaging, selfish, promiscuous, god-hating, child-abusing, poor role model, AIDS-ridden, STD-infected, gender-confused, bad-parented, drug-taking, confused, mentally ill, SADD, a Gay Agenda, lonely, anti-heterosexual, anti-family, or any of the other vile untruths that get directed at us.

Oh, & we CANNOT change. Nor do we want to.

Neither of those is a reason to treat us or our relationship poorly.

If you read above, we frankly don’t care who you bang. Those people that you do, on the other hand, probably will.

We just get p’d at how much of this goes on heresay. No body seems to care about checking the basic facts — and we advise you do that because (shock, horror) even we COULD be full of bs.

How’s it go: I’m not paranoid, I just don’t trust you… 🙂