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		By: Throckmorton		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2005/08/06/love-in-action-founding-saga-continues/#comment-189</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2005 01:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[pbcliberal - we do not appear to be reading the same posts. This is a blog and I am thinking and working out loud. It may look like quicksand to you but it is pretty interesting to me. If I start to go under, I will let you all know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pbcliberal &#8211; we do not appear to be reading the same posts. This is a blog and I am thinking and working out loud. It may look like quicksand to you but it is pretty interesting to me. If I start to go under, I will let you all know.</p>
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		By: grantdale		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2005/08/06/love-in-action-founding-saga-continues/#comment-188</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2005 00:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Quicksand???

No. You may see that as golden quicksand, but I see that as a blue road to the Truth.

(c) Smid Ex-Colour Ministry.

PS Please don&#039;t HELP Warren -- all he needs is a prompt :-) [smily face for both of you]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quicksand???</p>
<p>No. You may see that as golden quicksand, but I see that as a blue road to the Truth.</p>
<p>(c) Smid Ex-Colour Ministry.</p>
<p>PS Please don&#8217;t HELP Warren &#8212; all he needs is a prompt 🙂 [smily face for both of you]</p>
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		By: PBCliberal		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2005/08/06/love-in-action-founding-saga-continues/#comment-187</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 22:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It looks to me, Dr. Throckmorton, like you have gotten yourself stuck in quicksand. The more you struggle and flail to redefine terms so that you can exclude the failures, the more you have to include other failures.

Yes, these ministries formed as most ministries do, when likeminded people gathered together, ironed out their differences and worshiped and sought enlightenment together.

You got so many deus ex machinas going to get rid of all the folks you need to eliminate to get the results you want, you can barely quantify it now.

Your next denouement is going to come when you realize that if you try and exclude Evans because he wasn&#039;t on the same page as Philpott, you&#039;re going to eliminate today&#039;s love in action itself, because its now claiming to address &quot;same sex attractions&quot; and teach how to change behavior, not the underlying nature of the person himself.

That claim, which apparently even today&#039;s love in action is unwilling ot make, was the false one that resulted in all these, how you say it?, &quot;founding members,&quot; leaving the ministry in the first place.

Wasn&#039;t that the original question you were asking? If it isn&#039;t isn&#039;t that just as valid? How many of the founding members still believe the way they did when &lt;I&gt;Third Sex&lt;/I&gt; was written.

Its starting to appear that the more you look, you find more people, and more of these have failed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks to me, Dr. Throckmorton, like you have gotten yourself stuck in quicksand. The more you struggle and flail to redefine terms so that you can exclude the failures, the more you have to include other failures.</p>
<p>Yes, these ministries formed as most ministries do, when likeminded people gathered together, ironed out their differences and worshiped and sought enlightenment together.</p>
<p>You got so many deus ex machinas going to get rid of all the folks you need to eliminate to get the results you want, you can barely quantify it now.</p>
<p>Your next denouement is going to come when you realize that if you try and exclude Evans because he wasn&#8217;t on the same page as Philpott, you&#8217;re going to eliminate today&#8217;s love in action itself, because its now claiming to address &#8220;same sex attractions&#8221; and teach how to change behavior, not the underlying nature of the person himself.</p>
<p>That claim, which apparently even today&#8217;s love in action is unwilling ot make, was the false one that resulted in all these, how you say it?, &#8220;founding members,&#8221; leaving the ministry in the first place.</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t that the original question you were asking? If it isn&#8217;t isn&#8217;t that just as valid? How many of the founding members still believe the way they did when <i>Third Sex</i> was written.</p>
<p>Its starting to appear that the more you look, you find more people, and more of these have failed.</p>
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		By: grantdale		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2005/08/06/love-in-action-founding-saga-continues/#comment-186</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 19:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What strikes me as telling -- as someone who often needs sort out this type of mess -- is a very clear, unexplained gap.

John Evans freely mentions others. Frank Worthen talks about himself.

My first thoughts -- in that simple difference alone is more than meets the eye...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What strikes me as telling &#8212; as someone who often needs sort out this type of mess &#8212; is a very clear, unexplained gap.</p>
<p>John Evans freely mentions others. Frank Worthen talks about himself.</p>
<p>My first thoughts &#8212; in that simple difference alone is more than meets the eye&#8230;</p>
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