You are to be commended for being so honest and above board.

All who have had enough of the in your face homosexuals are not haters but rather just disgusted.

The Fred Phelps’ of the world are not Christian but use that title to do their evil. God does not hate homosexuals. God hates what they do but wants them to come to Him. Fred P. and the likes of him will only cause more and more hatred toward true Christians. They make me very ashamed.

I do not hate Gays, I hate what is being done to them by their own. I hate what the liberal society is telling them because it will lead to many going to eternal damnation. I did not say that it is in God’s Word. JOH 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.

The Word said so go read 2 Peter 2:4-13, that is if you care about your soul.

Like I said, if the ex-gay industry were just a bunch of people sitting around with an alternative way of thinking, I would have no qualms…

these ex-gay movements start ganging up with pastors, who hold similar views, and create a mob mentality…

What planet do you live on? What do you know about these ex-gay organizations? I know Exodus and Evergreen (two of the largest organizations) quite well, and neither of them do anything you claim. In fact, they are just sitting around purporting a philosophy that if someone does not want to be gay, there are other options and support. People seek these organizations out to find help. Exodus and Evergreen are not out on the street snatching people who walk by.

How are they “ganging up in a mob mentality?” Exodus put up one billboard to let people know they exist. How is that a mob mentality??

If you don’t want to participate in therapy or support groups, no one is making you, or anyone else. (I’ll be the first to acknowledge that in a few cases, parents force their kids to do things they don’t want to do. This is not the fault of ex-gay organizations.) People are involved in ex-gay organizations because they want to be and because they are finding the help they want. People who don’t want it stop participating. There is no mob mentality here that is forcing anyone to do anything they don’t want to do.

I’ve personally met hundreds of people who have been involved in ex-gay organizations. Some of those decided it was not for them, so they stopped participating. I have never met anyone who was harmed by it or who participated against their will.

The reason this boy died is because his father was sick in the head. If his father didn’t like gays, it has nothing to do with the ex-gay movement. Many people are turned off toward gays because of the flamboyant, in-your-face gays who flaunt sexuality, march nearly naked in parades, dress in drag, and paint “queer power” on store windows. Such antics paint all gays (unfairly) as wild, wicked, scary, disturbed people. It’s because of these things that some fathers may hope their boys don’t turn out to be gay.

If gays want to be loved and treated well, they should be respectful of others and stop these in-your-face tactics. The queer movement is what is fueling hatred towards gays.

‘The loudest wheel is the one that gets the oil first’ – same goes for the ex-gay movement, the loudest and most disruptive are the ones who define the industry over all.

I have never meet you, and heck, you may even be quite a nice guy, but the simple fact remains that the likes of EXODUS and LIA define your movement, the fusion of perverse theological teachings with mubo-jumbo science coupled with a laundry list of old wives tales – ‘real men don’t each quiche’.

Having said that, I maintain it is perverse logic and magical thinking that implicates beliefs of people unrelated to an event and somehow finds a causal link.

Sorry, as I said, all parties must take a roll in the blame, the pasters who push stories based on stereotypes generated by the ex-gay industry, and the pastors roll in pummelling it into the minds of his or her parishioners.

Like I said, if the ex-gay industry were just a bunch of people sitting around with an alternative way of thinking, I would have no qualms – just as I have no qualms about alternative medical doctors who may wish to pratice alternative treatments such natropath therapy.

Your logic comes unstuck when these ex-gay movements start promoting what they do as science fact, start ganging up with pastors, who old similar views, and create a mob mentality that spawns the like of this man who killed his toddler – it is also societies fault as a whole that gay people aren’t accepted, and hence, the stigma with being gay – coupled that with a fathers already warped perspective on masculinity, little wonder things turned out the way they did.

As long as you are promoting wacky theories of causation, then how about blaming Michael Bailey, the researcher from Northwestern? He has suggested in print that once the gay gene is found, then parents can abort their pre-born gay children. So if you believe ex-gays might be to blame for the toddler’s tragic death, then you might be more inclined to believe that Bailey is to blame. Anyone going to call the authorities?

He is *ONE* man, there are *MANY* theories and *MANY* people working on the issue, and unlike you and your entourage of merry converters, he doesn’t seek a global empire, he doesn’t seek the support of pastors, parishes and local community; he is a scientist, and if he is proven wrong, unlike the ilk who inhabit the ex-gay movement, he won’t feel the need to start bending and twisting the facts to suit his particular dogma.

Science is about searching out the truth, the ex-gay movement on the other hand is about fusing faulty logic, religious dogma and bigotry into something that they can market as fact rather than what is truely is, old wives tales marketed incredibly well.