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		<title>What George Rekers told a Florida court</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 15:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The blogs continued to blow up over the continuing disclosures regarding George Rekers relationship with a Miami gay man. Apparently the young man has disclosed details of their European trip and is set to go on CNN with more. In addition to the current event, some reports have looked into Dr. Rekers&#8217; views and beliefs. [...]]]></description>
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<p>The blogs continued to blow up over the continuing disclosures regarding George Rekers relationship with a Miami gay man. Apparently the young man has <a href="http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/05/my-interview-with-jo-vanni-roman.html" target="_blank">disclosed details</a> of their European trip and is set to go on CNN with more.</p>
<p>In addition to the current event, some reports have looked into Dr. Rekers&#8217; views and beliefs. That is more my purpose with this post. Dr. Rekers has provided controversial testimony in several court cases, the most notable Arkansas and Florida cases which contested adoptions by gay people. I saw in this <a href="http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local-beat/McCollum-paid-60900-to-anti-gay-activist-who-hired-male-prostitute-93042769.html" target="_blank">report from NBC Miami</a> that Rekers was paid between $60,900 and $87,000 to testify in favor of a ban on gay adoptions. In addition, and what really caught my eye, was his testimony that Native Americans could be excluded from adopting children. Here is the exchange included in the news article:</p>
<blockquote><p>Q. Well, Dr. Rekers, earlier you testified that Native-Americans have a higher rate of alcohol abuse than the general population does, right?</p>
<p>A. Yes.</p>
<p>Q. It’s a very significantly elevated rate of alcohol abuse, I mean compared to the general population?</p>
<p>A. Yes.</p>
<p>Q. So if Native-Americans have significantly higher rates of alcohol abuse, and if they also have significantly higher rates of psychiatric disorders, and if they also have higher rates of relationship instability, is that enough for you to say that all of a sudden they should be categorically excluded?</p>
<p>The Court: I think you can add violence to that, as well.</p>
<p>The Witness: Yeah, violence, yeah.</p>
<p>Q. And violence, as well.</p>
<p>A. Yeah, if it turned out that a majority of the individuals in the Native-American population, that a majority of them were high risk for one of these things happening, as a lifetime prevalence, there could be a parallel rationale for excluding them, as adoptive parents, because it would be not only them, they would tend to hang around each other. So the children would be around a lot of other Native-Americans, who are doing the same sorts of things, you know. So it would be a high risk, and, in fact, since you can’t perfectly predict human behavior, the best you can do and the best the State can do is to look at risk levels, and if a particular kind of household poses multiple high risks for condition that would be detrimental for children, then that would be a rationale for excluding that group.</p></blockquote>
<div>I was unable to find the entire transcript of the testimony, but did find the <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/asset_upload_file16_37906.pdf" target="_blank">ruling from the case</a> which initially upheld the adoption of Jane and John Doe, decided by Judge Cindy Lederman. In that case, Judge Lederman noted on pages 20-21:</div>
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<div><span style="font-family: Times-Roman;">There is no question that Dr. Rekers supports the continued ban on homosexual adoption and even the imposition of a ban on homosexual foster parenting based on the high rates of disorders, distressing conditions and relationship instability reported in the studies he considers telling. The witness testified that he does not support such a categorical exclusion of a demographic group based on one variable; rather, his opinion for the  exclusion is based an overall sum of variables. Thus, according to the doctor, any demographic group with overall high variable risks poses a threat to an adoptive child and should be excluded. As applied to the </span><span style="font-family: Times-Roman;">instant facts, the witness opines that Petitioner is in a high risk group; the majority of individuals sharing Petitioner’s demographic characteristic of homosexuality suffer from a disorder or have the propensity to suffer from a disorder; therefore, even if Petitioner is studied to determine his individual risk factor, the prediction for his propensity to succumb to a lifetime prevalence of risk cannot be overcome. Based on Dr. Rekers’ theory, as Native Americans have a high rate of alcohol abuse, substance abuse, domestic violence, depression, and a life time prevalence of these risks, Native Americans should also be considered a high risk group as p<span style="font-family: Times-Roman;">rospective adoptive parents as well.</span></span></div>
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<p>I <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2006/11/10/mental-health-status-and-homosexuality/" target="_blank">wrote briefly</a> about such thinking in 2006 when I received criticism from NARTH leaders <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2006/oct/15/nation/na-exgay15/2" target="_blank">over my view</a> that homosexuals could lead normal lives. NARTH has continued to champion the view that homosexuality should be changed and opposed due to research finding higher levels of depression, anxiety and other mental health concerns. Currently, on their website, they promote <a href="http://www.narth.com/docs/healthrisks.html" target="_blank">an article</a> which conflates orientation and certain sexual practices. Furthermore, NARTH leaders, including George Rekers, make up the majority of the <a href="http://factsaboutyouth.com/about-us/" target="_blank">advisory committee for the Facts About Youth website</a>. A project of the splinter-group American College of Pediatricians, the FAY website parrots the NARTH view that &#8220;[t]here is significantly greater medical, psychological, and relational pathology in the homosexual population than the general population.&#8221; By saying in his Florida testimony that members of other groups (e.g., Native Americans) are not fit to parent based on group differences, Rekers was just taking the NARTH view to a logical conclusion &#8212; a conclusion which is shockingly elitist. </p>
<p>If this view is advanced as a basis for public policy, then perhaps female physicians should not adopt since at least one study found that the rate of suicide is four times higher for them than other females. I think rather, the real basis for concern over homosexual parents relates to Rekers professed moral views which were also on display in the Florida court. According to Judge Lederman&#8217;s ruling, Rekers said psychology as a profession and the law should recognize evangelical theology:</p>
<blockquote><p>An honest scholarly search for the truth about homosexuality should not stop with psychological or medical information alone. Wise professionals should also consider evidence for moral truth as well. The bible teaches that people are foolish if they deny God’s reality and live their lives as though he were not there…. What happens when psychologists and psychiatrists search for truth about homosexuality, but close the door to any possibility of information from the creator of the human race? What happens if scholars deliberately discard all moral evidence as irrelevant to their professional judgments? Roman’s describes the consequences in suppressing truth revealed by the creator…. Those verses indicate that the existence of God is evident within each person, so psychologists and psychiatrists who proceed as though he does not exist are deliberately suppressing truth. To search for truth about homosexuality in psychology and psychiatry, while ignoring God, will result in futile and foolish speculations.</p></blockquote>
<p>To me, this line of thinking makes it clear why evangelical scholars must face the data with an awareness of our theological biases. Moral concerns are not irrelevant but they must not guide one to preset conclusions in opposition to data and research. To wit, Rekers also testified in the Florida case that children who were bonded to a homosexual parent should be removed from that home and placed with a heterosexual couple. Judge Lederman&#8217;s noted: </p>
<blockquote><p>Furthermore, according to Dr. Rekers, if children are bonded to a homosexual foster parent, such a placement may continue because the foster care laws permit regular monitoring. However, adoption should not be an option because of the absence of monitoring and safeguards. Dr. Rekers astounded the Court when he testified that he favors removal of any child from a homosexual household, even after placement in that household for ten years, in favor of a heterosexual household. To this Court’s further astonishment, the witness hypothesized that such a child would recover from the removal from his family of 10 years after one year in a heterosexual household. The Court finds this testimony to be contrary to science and decades of research in child development.</p></blockquote>
<p>The hypotheses regarding bonding and what is better for kids were driven by Reker&#8217;s moral posturing and not research. It is not surprising that Judge Lederman dismissed Rekers&#8217; testimony as unscientific and biased:</p>
<blockquote><p>Dr. Rekers’ testimony was far from a neutral and unbiased recitation of the relevant scientific evidence. Dr. Rekers’ beliefs are motivated by his strong ideological and theological convictions that are not consistent with the science. Based on his testimony and demeanor at trial, the court can not consider his testimony to be credible nor worthy of forming the basis of public policy.</p></blockquote>
<p>Dr. Rekers&#8217; recent actions have put the spotlight on his views. While Dr. Rekers may find less personal influence in coming days, it is an open question whether his actions will cast a negative light on those who hold similar positions.</p>
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		<title>Homosexuality: we can still avoid foreign bad press &#8211; removed from Ugandan website</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>UPDATE: The link was changed and the article is still available on the <a href="http://www.mediacentre.go.ug/details.php?catId=1&amp;item=721" target="_blank">Uganda Media Centre</a>.</p>
<p>The following article was posted briefly on the official Uganda Media Centre and then removed late the same day. Here the <a href="http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:rKqEIZg3UYYJ:www.mediacentre.go.ug/details.php%3FcatId%3D1%26item%3D718+%22Obed+K+Katureebe%22+site:http://www.mediacentre.go.ug&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us" target="_blank">cache</a> version which won&#8217;t last long. I have a saved version as well. It seems quite possible that there are competing views within the leadership of Uganda about the best way to resolve the Anti-Homosexuality Bill problem.  I post it since it has been removed but yet may reflect one side of the conflict internally.</p>
<blockquote><p>Homosexuality: we can still avoid foreign bad press</p>
<p>By Obed K Katureebe</p>
<p>The Anti-Homosexual Bill 2009, yet to be tabled on the floor of parliament, has attracted unnecessary hullabaloo. Some western countries, with their characteristic condescending attitude, are already threatening to cut aid if that bill is passed into law.</p>
<p>The bill is sponsored by Hon. David Bahati, the Ndorwa West County MP, as a private member’s bill. If passed into law, it will be able to establish a comprehensive consolidated legislation to protect the traditional family by prohibiting any form of sexual relations between persons of the same sex.</p>
<p>The bill also aims at strengthening the nation’s capacity to deal with emerging internal and external threats to the traditional heterosexual family.</p>
<p>According to Hon. Bahati, there is need to protect the children and youth of Uganda who are made vulnerable to sexual abuse and deviation as a result of cultural changes, uncensored information technologies, parentless child developmental settings and increasing attempts by homosexual to raise children in homosexual relationships through adoption, foster care or otherwise.</p>
<p>Apparently, according to Bahati, the proposed legislation is designed to fill the gaps in the provisions of other laws in Uganda like the Penal Code Act.</p>
<p>Hon. Bahati has a strong point. However, I personally think that there is no need to have a fresh legislation on such unnatural offences. What Hon. Bahati should have emphasized is to improve the penal code just to widen the definition already existing.</p>
<p>According to the Penal Code Act (cap 120), any person who permits a male person to have carnal knowledge of him or her against the order of nature, commits an offense and is liable to imprisonment for life. There is no question about that homosexuality, long regarded as taboo (culturally and socially) in the highly-religious society of Uganda, has of recent been raising its head and profile in the field of public debate.</p>
<p>No longer content to remain in the closet, proponents of homosexuality and lesbianism are actively seeking to be heard. They are up against an uphill task as they are pitched not only against culture and religion but against public perception of morality.</p>
<p>What is required at this moment is to let all Ugandans be rational and put their views across before parliament moves to debate the contents of the bill. Calls by rights organisations that Uganda&#8217;s obligations under the International Convention on Civil and Political Rights would be undermined are uncalled for.</p>
<p>The siege the country seems to be facing from these rights groups is misplaced. The absurdity of it all is even to go to the extent of branding ‘the regime in Kampala’ as a fascist establishment. Africans have an aggregated value system and retain a right to say &#8216;no&#8217; to a movement whose ultimate outcome will be the destruction of the family; the basic social cultural unit.</p>
<p>The promoters of homosexuality, who happens to have vast resources at their disposal and a global reach, have confused human rights groups to portray homosexuality as a human rights issue. But rights must be based on values.</p>
<p>However, the country should recognise the impressionable body politic and civil society groups in developed economies of the west. With their clever portrayal of the fight against homosexuality as a human rights abuse, the attachment of the adjectives like fascist to regime may lead to policy reviews.</p>
<p>Which is why I call on the government to avoid the bad press. Since homosexuality is already criminalised in Uganda, one wonder whether parliament is utilising its time optimally by focusing on homosexuality when the majority of our people are suffering from hunger, lack of access to water and disease and collapsing infrastructure.</p>
<p>Moreover, as pointed out by the gay lobbyists, same sex marriage is not a common social practice in Uganda therefore legislating against it is redundant and is likely to attack more attention to them. Perhaps parliament should be spending its time on real issues that impact on the lives of long-suffering Ugandans.</p>
<p>As a country, let us also engage other remedial institutions to try and counter this vice that is slowly but steadily coming into our lives. We ought to know that homosexuality community across the world is now 10% of the world population. Since we are part of the global community how feasible would it be to kill off 10% of the population.</p>
<p>As research has shown homosexuality is not a mental illness symptomatic of arrested development or that gays desires are genetic or hormonal in origin and that there is no choice involved. Homosexual behavior is learned. According to research by Dr. Cameron, no scientific research has found provable biological or genetic differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals that were not caused by their behavior. Dr. Cameron is the chairman Family Research Institute in Colorado Springs, USA.<br />
ENDS</p></blockquote>
<p>One wonders if Paul Cameron has inserted himself into the fray via this writer. Perhaps the writer was aware of Cameron and quoted his views.</p>
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<p>Just a postscript to my earlier posts on brain plasticity and sexual orientation…</p>
<p>Neil Whitehead first authored his signature work, <a href="http://www.mygenes.co.nz/download.htm">My Genes Made Me Do It</a> in 1999. Now he maintains the book on <a href="http://www.mygenes.co.nz/MGMMDIInfo.htm">his website</a> saying that “It is under constant review to keep it up-to-date so readers can be asssured (sic) of its on-going relevance.”</p>
<p>In <a href="http://www.mygenes.co.nz/Ch8.pdf">chapter 8</a>, on page 6, Whitehead recommends Norman Doidge’s book on brain plasticity. He takes some of the same liberties with Doidge’s book that he does in the <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/09/06/narth-authors-again-mislead-readers-more-on-brain-plasticity-and-sexual-orientation/">Anglican Mainstream article</a> and again fails to quote what Doidge actually says about sexual orientation.</p>
<blockquote><p>Doidge gives a neurological principle: Neurons which fire together wire together. In human sexuality this means that if something extraneous is often associated with sexual arousal it will tend to become part of it. In brain maps genital response regions lie alongside the response region for feet, and Doidge wonders if this might relate to sexual fetishes involving feet. It also becomes very reasonable to suppose that (for example) intense emotional focus on someone of the same sex might get triggered together with sexual excitement, and if frequently repeated ultimately seem to be very deeply ingrained homosexuality.</p>
<p>Because of brain plasticity it’s quite possible that homosexuals can become more heterosexual and heterosexuals could become homosexual, though persistent work could be needed, about equivalent to learning a new musical instrument</p>
<p>A prediction of plasticity principles though not mentioned by Doidge, would be that any brain structures associated with sexual activity would be much changed in those very old people for whom such activity has long ceased eg those brain regions would have shrunk and lost function.</p>
<p>Doidge’s conclusion about sexuality is that “Human libido is not a hard-wired invariable biological urge, but can be curiously fickle, easily altered by our psychology and the history of our sexual encounters.” And “It’s a use-it-or-lose-it brain, even where sexual desire and love are concerned.” This would apply both to same-sex attraction and opposite-sex attraction.</p></blockquote>
<p>There are numerous problems with Whitehead’s extension of Doidge’s ideas into the area of sexual orientation. However, I will note again that he selectively quotes the book and adds his own ideas as if they come from Doidge’s book. </p>
<p>Whitehead&#8217;s predictions that sexual reorientation should be as easy as learning a musical instrument should be offensive to celibate gays, ex-gays, post-gays, and ex-ex-gays. I have heard hundreds of narratives from people who sought change, are seeking change and/or congruence with their nongay-affirming religious beliefs and no one has ever described the process in those terms.  </p>
<p>Another problem with this book is a reference to Paul Cameron’s anti-gay pamphlet, The Medical Consequences of What Homosexuals Do in <a href="http://www.mygenes.co.nz/Ch6.pdf">chapter 6</a>. He even incorrectly says the Family Research Council published the thing (Paul Cameron’s DBA Family Research Institute is the actual publisher). He quotes him two additional times in the book as well. One might understand these inclusions better if they occurred in the 1999 version. One could make the case that the degree of Cameron’s bias was not clear at that point. However, since this is an effort “under constant review,” I am assuming that the presence of these references is intentional. </p>
<p><strong>Related posts:</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/09/04/brain-plasticity-and-sexual-orientation-train-it-to-gain-it/">Brain plasticity and sexual orientation: Train it to gain it?</a></p>
<p><a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/09/06/narth-authors-again-mislead-readers-more-on-brain-plasticity-and-sexual-orientation/">NARTH authors again mislead readers: More on brain plasticity and sexual orientation</a></p>
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		<title>Paul Cameron to appear in Sacha Baron Cohen&#8217;s &#8220;Bruno&#8221;</title>
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<p>This may make it worth the price of admission.</p>
<p>Paul Cameron &#8211; yes, that Paul Cameron &#8211; <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530144,00.html?test=faces">will be in Cohen&#8217;s new film</a>, &#8220;Bruno&#8221;, out Friday. From the NY Post, via Fox News:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Post talked to six people involved with the film — including four victims duped into appearing — to get their stories and figure out how, even after the massive success of &#8220;Borat,&#8221; there are still people unfamiliar with Cohen&#8217;s shtick. One didn&#8217;t even know he was in the film until The Post phoned.</p>
<p>Victim: Dr. Paul Cameron, chairman of the Family Research Institute, Colorado</p>
<p>Scene: Bruno comes to him for advice on going straight.</p>
<p>&#8220;I did a German thing a year ago. Is that this? I wondered what had happened to that. I&#8217;m in this bloody film? Well, I&#8217;ll be jiggered. I guess you never can believe when people are in distress.</p>
<p>&#8220;I had to go to Kansas City. I was told that this chap was a homosexual in Germany, had a popular TV program in Germany, was perhaps suicidal and wanted to [become straight]. And I was supposed to see if I could help him in some way.</p>
<p>His producer was telling people what to do. He&#8217;d say, &#8216;Here&#8217;s the setting. This will be your office. He&#8217;ll come in, give him the kinds of advice that will be useful for him.&#8217; It took about two and a half, three hours. To put it mildly, a few of his questions seemed strange. When he tried to sit by me and he wanted to give me a b &#8211; - w job, that kind of stuff pushed it.</p>
<p>&#8220;If it&#8217;s a gag, it was pretty well staged. I&#8217;ll be another laughing stock. Oh, well.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll be jiggered&#8230;</p>
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<p>This post is mostly about information without much commentary. Recently, I noted that NARTH (National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality) had removed <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/03/17/narth-removes-references-to-scott-lively-from-website/">references to Scott Lively from their website</a>. In that post, I reported that Mr. Lively&#8217;s foundation, the Pro-Family Charitable Trust chose NARTH as one of the first recipients of grant funds.</p>
<p>While the amounts are not large, Lively&#8217;s organization has funded other groups, including Paul Cameron&#8217;s Family Research Institute.  <a href="http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfct/grantees.php">Here is the list</a>. </p>
<p>According to Lively&#8217;s website, NARTH has received $2000 total. PFOX, Exodus, Americans for Truth about Homosexuality, JONAH, Mission America and Richard Cohen&#8217;s International Healing Foundation have all been recipients. </p>
<p>Discuss&#8230;</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently, Scott Lively, Director of Abiding Truth Ministries clarified his opinions presented in Uganda regarding criminalization of homosexuality and compulsory therapy, saying: I did promote therapy as an option to imprisonment, citing my own experience benefitting from optional therapy after an arrest for drunk driving many years ago. In fact, it was during that period [...]]]></description>
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<p>Recently, Scott Lively, Director of Abiding Truth Ministries <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/03/13/christian-post-article-on-the-ugandan-homosexuality-conference/">clarified his opinions</a> presented in Uganda regarding criminalization of homosexuality and compulsory therapy, saying:</p>
<blockquote><p>I did promote therapy as an option to imprisonment, citing my own experience benefitting from optional therapy after an arrest for drunk driving many years ago. In fact, it was during that period I accepted Christ and was spontaneously healed of alcoholism and drug addiction.</p>
<p>I don’t think under the circumstances homosexuality should be decriminalized in Uganda since it seems to be the only thing stopping the international “gay” juggernaut from turning Uganda into another Brazil.</p></blockquote>
<p>These views are consistent with his public statements elsewhere, including <a href="http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/archives.php?id=5225300">this statement to the Russian people</a> made in 2007.</p>
<blockquote><p>Homosexuality is a personality disorder that involves various, often dangerous sexual addictions and aggressive, anti-social impulses. This combination of factors causes homosexuals to have an intense loyalty to each other and a common goal to change any society in which they live in organized “gay and lesbian” communities. They have no acceptance in a society that restricts sex to heterosexual marriage, so they work to eliminate sexual morality and remove all limitations on sexual conduct. Importantly, their initial strategy is not promote homosexuality, but to spread sexual immorality among heterosexuals, especially the young people. Only later, when the culture has become sexually corrupt, do they openly step forward to take power as the natural leaders of such a society.</p></blockquote>
<p>In response to the &#8220;personality disorder,&#8221; Lively recommends a number of things. One is a limitation on free speech:</p>
<blockquote><p>Third, criminalize the public advocacy of homosexuality. My philosophy is to leave homosexuals alone if they keep their lifestyle private, and not to force them into therapy if they don’t want it. However, homosexuality is destructive to individuals and to society and it should never publicly promoted. The easiest way to discourage “gay pride” parades and other homosexual advocacy is to make such activity illegal in the interest of public health and morality.</p></blockquote>
<p>In that same letter, Lively recommends therapy for gays and pointed people to NARTH (National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality) as a referral source consistent with his ideas.</p>
<blockquote><p>The homosexual movement tries to win public sympathy by claiming that homosexuals are “born that way” and cannot change. This is not true. There is a large association of doctors and therapists in the United States who help homosexuals to recover (see www.narth.com) and many thousands of former homosexuals who now live normal lives.</p></blockquote>
<p>Lively&#8217;s referral to NARTH made me wonder if NARTH incorporated his views in a similar manner.</p>
<p>Until yesterday, the answer was yes. There were six references to Mr. Lively on the NARTH website. I asked Dave Pruden if NARTH supported the positions Mr. Lively stated above (criminalization, therapy as an option to jail and limits on free speech), and he reacted quickly to remove all but <a href="http://www.narth.com/menus/NARTHBulletinDecember2005.pdf">one reference</a> to his past involvement with NARTH. According to Mr. Pruden, Mr. Lively asked to address the convention luncheon in order to make a donation. The 2005 conference report says:</p>
<blockquote><p>Also during the luncheon, attorney Scott Lively noted that NARTH&#8217;s critics are supported by tens of millions of dollars from foundations on the left, which effectively permits them to &#8220;steer the culture through grants.&#8221; In an effort to begin reversing that trend, he recently created the Pro-Family Endowment, with one of its initial grants being made to NARTH. </p></blockquote>
<p>If you search on the NARTH website for <a href="http://www.narth.com/menus/search.html?cx=007457206426124633447%3Adybvfspccfw&#038;cof=FORID%3A11&#038;q=%22scott+lively%22#572">&#8220;Scott Lively,&#8221;</a> you can see the links to articles which are either not there anymore or have the reference to Mr. Lively removed. In addition to the reference above, there was a reference to a book authored by Mr. Lively, another article on gays in schools which referred readers to Mr. Lively&#8217;s website and an interview with Brian Camenker which included a favorable reference to Lively&#8217;s books.</p>
<p>Mr. Pruden explained that Mr. Lively was not invited by NARTH to speak at the 2005 luncheon but instead asked for time to make the presentation and was granted permission. However, he indicated that this did not indicate NARTH&#8217;s agreement with Lively&#8217;s views as outlined above. Mr. Pruden said that after some investigation, he determined that Mr. Lively&#8217;s views are not consistent with the policies and views of NARTH. Consequenty, the articles and references were removed.</p>
<p>Exodus International also took <a href="http://exodus.to/content/view/173/56/">a similar step recently</a>&#8230;.</p>
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<p>As in year&#8217;s past, I have enjoyed reviewing the posts from the year and coming up with the top ten stories. </p>
<p>1. Cancelation of the American Psychiatric Association symposium &#8211; Amidst threat of protests, <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/05/01/the-apa-symposium-on-homosexuality-therapy-and-religion-has-been-cancelled/">the APA pressed to halt</a> a scheduled symposium dedicated to sexual identity therapy and religious affiliation. Whipped up by a <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/05/12/misconceptions-about-the-sexual-identity-therapy-framework/">factually inaccurate article</a> in the Gay City News, gay activists persuaded the APA leadership to pressure symposium organizers to pull the program. Gay City News later ran a <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/05/23/gay-city-news-prints-letter-clarifying-sexual-identity-therapy/">correction</a>.</p>
<p>2. The other APA, the American Psychological Association, released a <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/08/12/apa-abortion-and-mental-health-report-single-abortion-not-a-threat-to-womens-mental-health/">task force report on abortion and mental health consequences</a>. Basing their conclusions on only one study, the APA surprised no one by claiming abortion had no more adverse impact on mental health than carrying a child to delivery. I revealed here that the APA had secretly formed this task force after a series of research reports in <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2006/01/16/uninformed-consent-abortion-and-mental-health-consequences/">late 2005</a> found links between abortion and adverse mental health consequences for some women. <a href="<a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/30/new-zealand-study-examines-abortion-and-mental-health-link/">New research confirms</a> that concern is warranted.</p>
<p>3. <a href="http://goldenrulepledge.com/">Golden Rule Pledge</a> &#8211; In the wake of <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/24/sally-kern-what-should-she-do/">Sally Kern</a> saying homosexuality was a greater threat to the nation than terrorism, I initiated the <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/14/day-of-the-golden-rule/">Golden Rule Pledge</a> which took place surrounding the Day of Silence and the Day of Truth. Many conservative groups were calling for Christian students to stay home. This did not strike me as an effective faith-centered response. The Golden Rule Pledge generated some controversy as well as approval  by a small group of evangelicals (e.g., Bob Stith) and gay leaders (e.g., Eliza Byard). Some students taking part in the various events were positively <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/04/26/day-of-silence-and-golden-rule-pledge-on-appalachian-state-university/">impacted by their experience</a>.</p>
<p>4. Exodus considers new direction for ministry &#8211; At a leadership training workshop early in 2008, <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/02/05/new-direction-for-exodus/">Wendy Gritter proposed</a> a new paradigm for sexual identity ministry. Her presentation was provocative in the sense that it generated <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/08/11/more-new-directions-from-new-directions/">much discussion and consideration</a>, especially among <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/05/exodus-international-turns-full-focus-on-ministry-away-from-public-policy/">readers here</a>. It remains to be seen if Exodus will continue to move away from a change/reparative therapy focus to a fidelity/congruence ministry focus.</p>
<p>5. New research clarifies sexual orienatation causal factors &#8211; A <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/06/16/multiple-factors-involved-in-sexual-orientation-new-study/">twin study</a> and a study of <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/06/17/study-examines-brain-differences-related-to-sexual-orientation/">brain symmetry</a>, both from Sweden and a <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/23/new-study-casts-doubt-on-older-brother-hypothesis-and-reparative-drive-theory/">large U.S. study</a> shed some light on causal factors in sexual orientation. </p>
<p>6. <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/02/15/i-think-aca-violated-its-policies-so-i-complained">Letter to the American Counseling Association</a> requesting clarification of its policies concerning counseling same-sex attracted evangelicals. Co-signed by over 600 counselors (many of whom were referred by the American Association of Christian Counselors), I wrote a letter to the ACA requesting clarification regarding how counselors should work with evangelicals who do not wish to affirm homosexual behavior. The current policy is confusing and gives no guidance in such cases. Then President <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/04/01/aca-president-canfield-promises-ethics-committee-review/">Brian Canfield replied </a>affirming the clients self-determination in such cases. He referred the matter back to the ACA ethics committee. To date, that committee has not responded. </p>
<p>7. Paul Cameron&#8217;s work resurfaces and then is refuted &#8211; <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/07/13/insurecom-in-gay-lifespan-dispute/">Insure.com</a> resurrected Paul Cameron&#8217;s work in an article on their website about gay lifespans. The article was later <a href="http://www.insure.com/articles/lifeinsurance/hiv-mortality.html">altered to reflect </a>more on HIV/AIDS than on homosexual orientation.  Later this year, <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/13/new-danish-study-reviews-mortality-among-married-gays/">Morten Frisch produced </a>a study which directly addressed Cameron&#8217;s methods.</p>
<p>8. Mankind Project unravels &#8211; This year I <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/index.php?s=nwta">posted often</a> regarding the <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/mankind-project-new-warriors-training-adventure/">Mankind Project</a> and New Warriors Training Adventure. Recently, I reported that <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/21/mankind-project-self-destructing/">MKP is in some financial and organizational disarray</a>.</p>
<p>9. Debunking of false claims about <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/palinclaims/">Sarah Palin&#8217;s record</a> on support for social programs &#8211; I had lots of fun tracking down several false claims made about <a href="http://www.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-5087628658597176%3Av1as5hwowpf&#038;ie=ISO-8859-1&#038;q=palin">Sarah Palin</a> during the election. Her opponents willfully distorted her real record to paint her as a hypocrite. I learned much more about Alaska&#8217;s state budget than I ever wanted to know but found that most claims of program cuts were actually raises in funding which not quite as much as the agencies requested. However, overall funding for such programs increased.  </p>
<p>10. During the stretch run of the election, I became quite interested in various aspects of the race. As noted above, I spent some time examining claims surround Sarah Palin&#8217;s record. I also did <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/10/31/obamas-housing-record-part-five-view-from-a-constituent-beauty-turner/">a series on President-elect Obama&#8217;s record on housing</a>, including an interview with one of Barack Obama&#8217;s former constituents.</p>
<p>I know, I know, number 10 is an understatement. (<a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/10/berg-vs-obama-response-to-supreme-court-due-december-1/">Exhibit A</a>)</p>
<p>Happy New Year!</p>
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<p>I talked about <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/13/new-danish-study-reviews-mortality-among-married-gays/">it here</a> and yesterday, ReutersHealth published <a href="http://www.reutershealth.com/archive/2008/11/24/eline/links/20081124elin001.html">an article</a> about Frisch&#8217;s gay mortality study. With a sure to be provocative title, the article summarizes the main findings.</p>
<p>I have been surprised that only bloggers &#8211; and few of them &#8211; have picked up on this research. There is a little something here for everyone; there is some evidence of reduced longevity but not to the degree hoped for by the Camerons. </p>
<blockquote><p>Mortality declines as same-sex marriage endures</p>
<p>Last Updated: 2008-11-24 13:33:59 -0400 (Reuters Health)</p>
<p>By Joene Hendry</p>
<p>NEW YORK (Reuters Health) &#8211; Mortality among same-sex married men and women in Denmark is higher than that of the general population within the first 3 years of marriage, but then declines to more closely resemble mortality the general Danish population, researchers report.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, these findings sharply contradict what Frisch&#8217;s group describes as &#8220;flawed claims&#8221; that people in same-sex marriages live an average of 20 years shorter than heterosexually married people.</p></blockquote>
<p>The last sentence, of course, refers to the Camerons.</p>
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		<title>New Danish study reviews mortality among married gays</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
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<p>In April, 2007, I <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/12/only-the-gay-die-young-examining-claims-of-shorter-life-expectancy-for-homosexuals/">posted a rebuttal</a> to Paul and Kirk Cameron&#8217;s claims that gays die 20-plus years sooner than straights. That post was the first of a nine-part series, Only the Gay Die Young? The links will show up if you click <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/page/9/?s=cameron">here</a>, <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/page/10/?s=cameron">here</a> and <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/page/11/?s=cameron">here</a>. Also, I brought them all together in an article with additional commentary in <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/cameron.pdf">an article presented </a>at a research summit I conducted in 2007.</p>
<p>Participating in that exchange was Morten Frisch, Danish epidemiologist. I initially corresponded with Dr. Frisch concerning his <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2006/10/24/updated-review-of-the-danish-study-of-environment-and-sexual-orientation-of-marriage/">2006 article</a> on environmental influences in homosexual versus heterosexual marriage decisions. When Paul and Kirk Cameron produced their mortality study at the Eastern Psychological Association, I contacted Dr. Frisch for comment. Dr. Frisch <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/13/only-the-gay-die-young-part-2-danish-epidemiologist-reviews-the-cameron-study/">dismissed the Camerons&#8217; methods saying</a>,</p>
<blockquote><p>Cameron and Cameron’s report on &#8220;life expectancy&#8221; in homosexuals vs heterosexuals is severely methodologically flawed </p>
<p>It is no wonder why this pseudo-scientific report claiming a drastically shorter life expectancy in homosexuals compared with heterosexuals has been published on the internet without preceding scientific peer-review (http://www.earnedmedia.org/frireport.htm). The authors should know, and as PhDs they presumably do, that this report has little to do with science. It is hard to escape the idea that non-scientific motifs have driven the authors to make this report public. The methodological flaws are of such a grave nature that no decent peer-reviewed scientific journal should let it pass for publication</p></blockquote>
<p>In this case, Dr. Frisch did more than critique the Camerons. He, along with colleague Henrik Brønnum-Hansen, conducted a study using the data from Denmark regarding married gays and straights. The study will be published in the January, 2009 edition of the American Journal of Public Health, but is being released today via the <a href="http://www.ajph.org/first_look.shtml">journal&#8217;s website</a>. Dr. Frisch was kind enough to forward a copy which I summarize here.</p>
<p>Frisch and Brønnum-Hansen found that Danish men marrying soon after the Danish same-sex marriage law was enacted had markedly higher death rates than men in the general Danish population. They speculate that these men were ill, ordinarily with AIDS or AIDS related illnesses, but also from other life-threatening diseases, and wanted to marry to establish rights of survivorship or other benefits for a surviving spouse. However, the mortality for homosexual men marrying after 1996 is virtually the same as for heterosexual men in Denmark. Thus, since HIV/AIDS has been more successfully managed, the mortality rates have declined dramatically.</p>
<p>During the height of the AIDS crisis, life expectancies were understandably depressed. This study indicates that mortality has improved substantially.</p>
<p>In the article, Frisch and Brønnum-Hansen directly address the methods of the Camerons.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Flawed Claims of Major Excess Mortality</strong></p>
<p>Authors from the Family Research Institute, a US-based institution fighting to ‘‘restore a world . . . where homosexuality is not taught and accepted, but instead is discouraged and rejected at every level, ’’have produced a series of reports in which they claim homosexuality is incompatible with full health and as dangerous to public health as drug abuse, prostitution, and smoking. In a recent<br />
report, the authors obtained data from Statistics Denmark and Statistics Norway and compared the average age at death among men and women who had ever been in a same-sex marriage with the average age at death among people who had ever been heterosexually married.</p>
<p>Because the age distribution among persons in same-sex marriages was considerably younger than that of people who had ever been heterosexually married, the average age at death among those who actually died during the observation period was, not surprisingly, considerably younger in the population of same-sex married persons. The Family Research Institute presented the lower mean age at death (by 22–25 years) for persons in same-sex versus heterosexual marriages as evidence that persons who married heterosexually ‘‘outlived gays and lesbians by more than 20 years on average.’’ Elementary textbooks in epidemiology warn against such undue comparisons between group averages because they lead to seemingly common-sense yet seriously flawed conclusions.</p></blockquote>
<p>I am still reviewing the details and will add more as I complete my review. For now, I will say that I appreciate Dr. Frisch&#8217;s work and efforts to gain an objective look at this controversial topic.</p>
<p>The study reference is: Frisch, M. &#038; Brønnum-Hansen, H. (2009). Mortality Among Men and Women in Same-Sex Marriage: A National Cohort Study of 8333 Danes. <em>American Journal of Public Health</em> 99,(1), available online at <a href="http://www.ajph.org/first_look.shtml">http://www.ajph.org/first_look.shtml</a>.  </p>
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		<title>Insure.com in gay lifespan dispute</title>
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<p>Boxturtlebulletin is reporting a <a href="http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/11/2137">Cameron citing of some interest</a>. Insure.com has <a href="http://www.insure.com/articles/lifeinsurance/gay-men-die-young.html">an article on the company website</a> which accepts the lifespan estimates of the Camerons. </p>
<p>We have covered this matter here in depth (e.g. <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/04/24/only-the-gay-die-young-part-5-morten-frisch-responds-to-kirk-cameron/">here</a>). To make it easier to follow that nine-part series, I have put it into one article &#8211; &#8220;<a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/cameron.pdf">Only the gay die young? An exchange between Warren Throckmorton, Morten Frisch, Paul Cameron and Kirk Cameron regarding the lifespan of homosexuals.&#8221;</a> All of the posts are included with commentary regarding the arguments presented in that exchange.</p>
<p>As I look at the Insure.com article and the <a href="http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/11/2348">CEO response</a>, I am puzzled why the company has not removed it from the website. I do not believe the Camerons made their case in that article. Also, the one other team which reports a more traditional methodology, <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2006/12/02/narth-article-asking-why-homosexuality-isnt-a-disorder/">Hogg et al</a>, later made it clear that their estimates would be much more positive if current data were used. The author, Joe White, omits that information from his article.</p>
<p>Mr. White quotes the Cameron&#8217;s Eastern Psychological Association presentation but does not link to it. It is no longer on the Christian Newswire website but is stored <a href="http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007_docs/CameronHomosexualFootprint.pdf">here on the Lifesitenews website</a>. The Cameron&#8217;s EPA report is extensively critiqued in my article above by Danish epidemiologist, Morten Frisch and me.</p>
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