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		<title>By: Gay Porn Shown in Ugandan Churches &#124; God Discussion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gay Porn Shown in Ugandan Churches &#124; God Discussion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 15:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] He thinks that Ugandans are better Christians than American Christians.Elsewhere on the Net&#8230;ABC News: Anti-Homosexuality Bill causes global uproar — Warren ThrockmortonUS Diplomats working with Uganda&amp;#821&#039;s LGBT community to deafeat anti-gay bill &#8211; Lez [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] He thinks that Ugandans are better Christians than American Christians.Elsewhere on the Net&#8230;ABC News: Anti-Homosexuality Bill causes global uproar — Warren ThrockmortonUS Diplomats working with Uganda&amp;#821&#039;s LGBT community to deafeat anti-gay bill &#8211; Lez [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All: The reason I stopped the thread was because of the constant bickering and arguing over the same things. 

The threads are about the topics, not about you or what you think about the other commenters or assumptions about motives, or prognostications about what someone thinks or comments about what someone used to think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All: The reason I stopped the thread was because of the constant bickering and arguing over the same things. </p>
<p>The threads are about the topics, not about you or what you think about the other commenters or assumptions about motives, or prognostications about what someone thinks or comments about what someone used to think.</p>
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		<title>By: concerned</title>
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		<dc:creator>concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eddy,
   I would agree with you.    Talk about pride and arrogance to think that the only way one should see this situation is through the eyes of one person.   If others see things differently, well they are just wrong, ignorant, bigotted, etc.   It is really sad to think that one persons attitude should trump any other meaningful discussion on this topic, especially when there are many differing voices in this debate who represent anything but the above labels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddy,<br />
   I would agree with you.    Talk about pride and arrogance to think that the only way one should see this situation is through the eyes of one person.   If others see things differently, well they are just wrong, ignorant, bigotted, etc.   It is really sad to think that one persons attitude should trump any other meaningful discussion on this topic, especially when there are many differing voices in this debate who represent anything but the above labels.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warren--
You seem like a nice, intelligent, reasonable person...you should really consider establishing your own blogsite someday. I&#039;m going to presume that THIS  blogsite currently belongs to the person who has made ALL but 13 of the 40 comments prior to mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren&#8211;<br />
You seem like a nice, intelligent, reasonable person&#8230;you should really consider establishing your own blogsite someday. I&#8217;m going to presume that THIS  blogsite currently belongs to the person who has made ALL but 13 of the 40 comments prior to mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bussee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bussee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And so will Scott Lively:&lt;blockquote&gt;  Alvin McEwen: Scott Lively demonstrates how to throw gasoline on an anti-gay brush fire.

Last week, I wrote a post about how anti-gay activist Scott Lively claimed on ABC News  that he didn&#039;t envision Uganda pushing for that draconian anti-gay bill even though he had:

a. visited the country earlier that year during a conference and told negative stories about the gay and lesbian community and 

b. had been going to foreign countries as far back as 2007 (i.e. Russia) and advocating that they &quot;criminalize homosexuality.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alvin-mcewen/scott-lively-demonstrates_b_498591.html?ref=fb&amp;src=sp#shared_by=889909</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so will Scott Lively:<br />
<blockquote>  Alvin McEwen: Scott Lively demonstrates how to throw gasoline on an anti-gay brush fire.</p>
<p>Last week, I wrote a post about how anti-gay activist Scott Lively claimed on ABC News  that he didn&#8217;t envision Uganda pushing for that draconian anti-gay bill even though he had:</p>
<p>a. visited the country earlier that year during a conference and told negative stories about the gay and lesbian community and </p>
<p>b. had been going to foreign countries as far back as 2007 (i.e. Russia) and advocating that they &#8220;criminalize homosexuality.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alvin-mcewen/scott-lively-demonstrates_b_498591.html?ref=fb&#038;src=sp#shared_by=889909" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alvin-mcewen/scott-lively-demonstrates_b_498591.html?ref=fb&#038;src=sp#shared_by=889909</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bussee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bussee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will move on.  Exodus will do, as always, whatever it feels &quot;led&quot; to do.  My pressure will only make them more resistant.  It&#039;s a matter of &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;pride &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;for them.  If gays tell them to do something, they do the opposite, even if it&#039;s the right thing to do.  

Even when lliberty and lives -- and their perception in the world of TRULY caring about gay people --  are at stake.  Their &quot;agenda&quot; over-rules it.  &quot;How DARE those evil homosexual reprobates lecture THEM about &quot;morality&quot;!!! The nerve!!!  I think it&#039;s why they ignored the warnings.

At least, that is how is seems to me, and it makes me very, very sad.  Disgusted, disappointed and SAD.  To think that they could do more and won&#039;t for PRIDE is deeply disappointing.  Ultimately, Alan will have to live with his conscience and ultimately answer to God  -- and so will I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will move on.  Exodus will do, as always, whatever it feels &#8220;led&#8221; to do.  My pressure will only make them more resistant.  It&#8217;s a matter of <strong><em>pride </em></strong>for them.  If gays tell them to do something, they do the opposite, even if it&#8217;s the right thing to do.  </p>
<p>Even when lliberty and lives &#8212; and their perception in the world of TRULY caring about gay people &#8212;  are at stake.  Their &#8220;agenda&#8221; over-rules it.  &#8220;How DARE those evil homosexual reprobates lecture THEM about &#8220;morality&#8221;!!! The nerve!!!  I think it&#8217;s why they ignored the warnings.</p>
<p>At least, that is how is seems to me, and it makes me very, very sad.  Disgusted, disappointed and SAD.  To think that they could do more and won&#8217;t for PRIDE is deeply disappointing.  Ultimately, Alan will have to live with his conscience and ultimately answer to God  &#8212; and so will I.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 06:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warren, I think if there is any influence that an American had on the Bahati bill it might have been Paul Cameron.   They have an &lt;em&gt;idée fixe&lt;/em&gt; on the issue that presupposes that sexual contact is based upon what genders have that contact.   Thus any homogenic sexual contact is necessarily homosexual, no matter what psychologenic motivation for the act exists.  Thus they lump a male transgressing on another younger male pedophilia as homosexuality.   Much the same that homophobic researchers (and &#039;family groups&#039;) such as Paul Cameron have done.   

Early on I had contact with a writer of one of the articles on the government press site [www.mediacentre.go.ug] and he mentioned the research of Paul Cameron of the Family Research Institute.  Well, I wrote back to him and included links from your work and that of Box Turtle Bulletin concerning the problems with Cameron&#039;s work.   Never heard back from him. 

I think the point is that if you have the overt homophobic views then you are going to look for that which supports your views.  I&#039;m sure that is what they have done.   Their attitude towards homosexuals is one of such disdain that they presuppose the worst (thus Ssempa&#039;s comedy of porn) and do not care to witness any possible good.  Indeed, there can be no good associated with someone they see as an abomination.   

So, no, I don&#039;t think Ugandans need have been influenced in any way by any American Christian sect, although I am sure they could receive affirmation of their views in some and that is rather easy to do in the age of the Internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren, I think if there is any influence that an American had on the Bahati bill it might have been Paul Cameron.   They have an <em>idée fixe</em> on the issue that presupposes that sexual contact is based upon what genders have that contact.   Thus any homogenic sexual contact is necessarily homosexual, no matter what psychologenic motivation for the act exists.  Thus they lump a male transgressing on another younger male pedophilia as homosexuality.   Much the same that homophobic researchers (and &#8216;family groups&#8217;) such as Paul Cameron have done.   </p>
<p>Early on I had contact with a writer of one of the articles on the government press site [www.mediacentre.go.ug] and he mentioned the research of Paul Cameron of the Family Research Institute.  Well, I wrote back to him and included links from your work and that of Box Turtle Bulletin concerning the problems with Cameron&#8217;s work.   Never heard back from him. </p>
<p>I think the point is that if you have the overt homophobic views then you are going to look for that which supports your views.  I&#8217;m sure that is what they have done.   Their attitude towards homosexuals is one of such disdain that they presuppose the worst (thus Ssempa&#8217;s comedy of porn) and do not care to witness any possible good.  Indeed, there can be no good associated with someone they see as an abomination.   </p>
<p>So, no, I don&#8217;t think Ugandans need have been influenced in any way by any American Christian sect, although I am sure they could receive affirmation of their views in some and that is rather easy to do in the age of the Internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After many comments, I think we understand where everyone is coming from. I would like the discussion to move to something else. 

Martin Ssempa continues to say that the bill is about rape and child abuse. This may be what he wants it to be about but it clearly is about more than that. I am wondering if there could be some discussion about what role if any, American ministries which support Dr. Ssempa (e.g., Canyon Ridge Christian Church in Las Vegas; Oral ROberts U) has in addressing the misrepresentations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After many comments, I think we understand where everyone is coming from. I would like the discussion to move to something else. </p>
<p>Martin Ssempa continues to say that the bill is about rape and child abuse. This may be what he wants it to be about but it clearly is about more than that. I am wondering if there could be some discussion about what role if any, American ministries which support Dr. Ssempa (e.g., Canyon Ridge Christian Church in Las Vegas; Oral ROberts U) has in addressing the misrepresentations?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MIchael,

You know, something I tell my kids at school?   Focus on what you are doing and less on what others are or are not doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MIchael,</p>
<p>You know, something I tell my kids at school?   Focus on what you are doing and less on what others are or are not doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bussee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bussee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 02:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If it is important to you must that be of the same importance to others? &lt;/blockquote&gt;I wouldn&#039;t say &quot;must&quot;.  I would say, &quot;deeply wish&quot;.&lt;blockquote&gt;Or do you even consider the difference between news reporting and making organizational statments?&lt;/blockquote&gt;I know that they are different -- we need &lt;em&gt;both&lt;/em&gt; to fight this.&lt;blockquote&gt;You seem to confuse everyone’s role with what’s important to you?&lt;/blockquote&gt;I am not confused.  Saddened.  Angry.  I acknowledge, above, that others may have diferent priorities. Here&#039;s why I put so much pressure of Exodus about this:

(1)  They the largest program of their kind, having international connections and influence.  They claim to love and offer &quot;freedom&quot; to the LGBT community.

(2) I don&#039;t agree that gays need to be freed or fixed -- I find that idea as very harmful and morally repugant. But even if they &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; need it, you cannot &quot;free&quot; or &quot;fix&quot;  this by criminalizing or imprisoning gays -- or by forcing &quot;treatment&quot; upon them.  

(3)   They promised they would do more and stated that this deserves all the media possible.  The need to keep their word.  They need to make their disdain and apology loud, public and clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If it is important to you must that be of the same importance to others? </p></blockquote>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say &#8220;must&#8221;.  I would say, &#8220;deeply wish&#8221;.<br />
<blockquote>Or do you even consider the difference between news reporting and making organizational statments?</p></blockquote>
<p>I know that they are different &#8212; we need <em>both</em> to fight this.<br />
<blockquote>You seem to confuse everyone’s role with what’s important to you?</p></blockquote>
<p>I am not confused.  Saddened.  Angry.  I acknowledge, above, that others may have diferent priorities. Here&#8217;s why I put so much pressure of Exodus about this:</p>
<p>(1)  They the largest program of their kind, having international connections and influence.  They claim to love and offer &#8220;freedom&#8221; to the LGBT community.</p>
<p>(2) I don&#8217;t agree that gays need to be freed or fixed &#8212; I find that idea as very harmful and morally repugant. But even if they <em>did</em> need it, you cannot &#8220;free&#8221; or &#8220;fix&#8221;  this by criminalizing or imprisoning gays &#8212; or by forcing &#8220;treatment&#8221; upon them.  </p>
<p>(3)   They promised they would do more and stated that this deserves all the media possible.  The need to keep their word.  They need to make their disdain and apology loud, public and clear.</p>
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