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	Comments on: Ugandan gay groups issue statement opposing sexual abuse and exploitation of minors	</title>
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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Elizabeth,



Where do you get your statistics that show 10% of the world&#039;s population are sodomites?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth,</p>
<p>Where do you get your statistics that show 10% of the world&#8217;s population are sodomites?</p>
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		By: Elisabeth Hoffman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elisabeth Hoffman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 06:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Diane

How has your theory of theonomy worked out under the Lord&#039;s Resistance Army in Northen Uganda? Is your hero Joseph Kony? Attempting to establish a government based on the ten commandments and the Old Testament is insane and ridculous. You are bearing false witness and &lt;strong&gt;advocating genocide&lt;/strong&gt; and massive hate crimes throughout the world. Do you realize that 10% of the WORLD&#039;S population are &quot;sodomites&#039;? Are you Hitler? what the hell?

How are you going to pick them all out? Are you planning big ovens or gas chambers because you are going to have a LOT of bodies to deal with.

I would submit that your ideas presented here are beyond sick, twisted and evil, the absolute opposite of EVERYTHING jesus taught.

Good luck with your plan, it is NEVER going to happen. NEVER.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Diane</p>
<p>How has your theory of theonomy worked out under the Lord&#8217;s Resistance Army in Northen Uganda? Is your hero Joseph Kony? Attempting to establish a government based on the ten commandments and the Old Testament is insane and ridculous. You are bearing false witness and <strong>advocating genocide</strong> and massive hate crimes throughout the world. Do you realize that 10% of the WORLD&#8217;S population are &#8220;sodomites&#8217;? Are you Hitler? what the hell?</p>
<p>How are you going to pick them all out? Are you planning big ovens or gas chambers because you are going to have a LOT of bodies to deal with.</p>
<p>I would submit that your ideas presented here are beyond sick, twisted and evil, the absolute opposite of EVERYTHING jesus taught.</p>
<p>Good luck with your plan, it is NEVER going to happen. NEVER.</p>
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		By: Christopher Marsh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Marsh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello brother. I heard about you on Facebook and it seems a homosexual has a major bone to pick with you about curing homosexuality. It is not my place to evaluate those therapies because I am straight, but I did know a lesbian who had her prayers unanswered (and another lesbian who apparently married a man, my best friend said so and I trust him). I think you&#039;re getting a poor trial on Facebook. I try to present Christianity balancedly on some of the gay forums. I even support gay marriage out of a belief in a free country, you know, taxes paid and services provided, a fair deal. &quot;I try to be all things to all people so that I might save some.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello brother. I heard about you on Facebook and it seems a homosexual has a major bone to pick with you about curing homosexuality. It is not my place to evaluate those therapies because I am straight, but I did know a lesbian who had her prayers unanswered (and another lesbian who apparently married a man, my best friend said so and I trust him). I think you&#8217;re getting a poor trial on Facebook. I try to present Christianity balancedly on some of the gay forums. I even support gay marriage out of a belief in a free country, you know, taxes paid and services provided, a fair deal. &#8220;I try to be all things to all people so that I might save some.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Eddy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 06:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Diane--

Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I still have issues though. You and your comrades (just a word not an implication) see quite clearly and without reservation that the clearly proscribed Biblical penalty for sodomy is death. 



That death penalty is also the clearly proscribed Biblical penalty for adultery and fornication. Why is it then, when the religious folks brought the woman caught in adultery to Jesus and reminded him what the clearly proscribed Biblical penalty was for adultery, He didn&#039;t sentence her. What&#039;s up with that, Diane? 



Many presume that that woman repented of her sin and became one of Jesus&#039; closest disciples. That isn&#039;t entirely clear from the Biblical narratives. What I find significant is that Jesus first asked her accusers to search their own hearts for sinlessness...then He forgave her...and then He admonished her to &#039;go and sin no more&#039;. 



I get flak here because I don&#039;t stop with the &#039;then He forgave her&#039;. I firmly believe that homosexual behavior, all of it, even the homosexual behavior that is &#039;loving&#039; or &#039;in a committed relationship&#039; is sin. I believe that those who continue in that behavior are in danger of the fires of Hell. BUT, my years in the ministry, as an ex-gay trying to reach out to gays and ex-gays, convinced me completely that Christians who didn&#039;t &#039;rightly divide the Word of Truth&#039; weren&#039;t representing Christ&#039;s love and redeeming grace appropriately. My coming to Christ would not have happened with you as an agent of His redemptive message...I&#039;ve yet to hear a word from you that even hints at that aspect of His mission here on earth. Some would say I got saved by accident. I worked with a sincere Christian. I&#039;d watch and sometimes overhear as he talked and prayed with others but he never once talked to me...an overtly gay person. He claims that he prayed for me even though he never spoke to me; I hope that is true. I hope that is also true for you, Diane. I hope that you are praying fervently for the souls of these people that you seem so quick and eager to judge. I realize that this is a blogsite and perhaps not all of what you feel or mean to convey is coming through. &#039;God is not willing than ANY should perish&#039;. Anytime we Christians find ourselves eagerly desiring the physical death or elimination of someone, we need to ask ourselves why we are so willing to have them gone when He isn&#039;t willing that they should perish. I realize your talking a corporal death penalty while the Bible was speaking of a spiritual one but--logic  tells me that if you convict a person of a sin (such as sodomy) and then administer the death penalty to them, that kinda cinches the deal on the spiritual death too. Yeah, I know, people do come to accept Jesus as their savior on death row. I&#039;d be willing to wager (if I was a gambler) though that more people than not whose lives ended on a death row...they ended with BOTH...they ended with a physical AND a spiritual death. 



This whole notion of criminalization disturbs me. While I agree that we can and should criminalize any number of behaviors, I&#039;ve always had a weird caution. You see, we Christians KNOW that it ain&#039;t &#039;being good&#039; that&#039;s going to get us into heaven. The Bible tells us that, as far as heaven&#039;s concerned, our personal &#039;righteousness&#039; stinks. So, it&#039;s always bothered me when Christians go on these crusades to legislate morality. Let&#039;s say you stop that homosexual individual from doing anything sexual with anybody for his or her entire lifetime because they fear the death penalty. Tell me, once their span on earth is done, will that grant them access to heaven? This may be a personal bias but I&#039;ve long suspected that many Christians would rather criminalize than evangelize. And that&#039;s a bit weird since I can find the command to evangelize in the Bible but not the command to criminalize. 



I do worry ofttimes about the approach I&#039;ve taken; I wonder if I&#039;m not as forthright and direct in confronting sin as I should be. It is my hope that you will also worry sometimes. That you&#039;ll worry that your approach is selective...that it&#039;s elevating one sin above others--and that&#039;s it&#039;s not balancing the messages of redemption and judgement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane&#8211;</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I still have issues though. You and your comrades (just a word not an implication) see quite clearly and without reservation that the clearly proscribed Biblical penalty for sodomy is death. </p>
<p>That death penalty is also the clearly proscribed Biblical penalty for adultery and fornication. Why is it then, when the religious folks brought the woman caught in adultery to Jesus and reminded him what the clearly proscribed Biblical penalty was for adultery, He didn&#8217;t sentence her. What&#8217;s up with that, Diane? </p>
<p>Many presume that that woman repented of her sin and became one of Jesus&#8217; closest disciples. That isn&#8217;t entirely clear from the Biblical narratives. What I find significant is that Jesus first asked her accusers to search their own hearts for sinlessness&#8230;then He forgave her&#8230;and then He admonished her to &#8216;go and sin no more&#8217;. </p>
<p>I get flak here because I don&#8217;t stop with the &#8216;then He forgave her&#8217;. I firmly believe that homosexual behavior, all of it, even the homosexual behavior that is &#8216;loving&#8217; or &#8216;in a committed relationship&#8217; is sin. I believe that those who continue in that behavior are in danger of the fires of Hell. BUT, my years in the ministry, as an ex-gay trying to reach out to gays and ex-gays, convinced me completely that Christians who didn&#8217;t &#8216;rightly divide the Word of Truth&#8217; weren&#8217;t representing Christ&#8217;s love and redeeming grace appropriately. My coming to Christ would not have happened with you as an agent of His redemptive message&#8230;I&#8217;ve yet to hear a word from you that even hints at that aspect of His mission here on earth. Some would say I got saved by accident. I worked with a sincere Christian. I&#8217;d watch and sometimes overhear as he talked and prayed with others but he never once talked to me&#8230;an overtly gay person. He claims that he prayed for me even though he never spoke to me; I hope that is true. I hope that is also true for you, Diane. I hope that you are praying fervently for the souls of these people that you seem so quick and eager to judge. I realize that this is a blogsite and perhaps not all of what you feel or mean to convey is coming through. &#8216;God is not willing than ANY should perish&#8217;. Anytime we Christians find ourselves eagerly desiring the physical death or elimination of someone, we need to ask ourselves why we are so willing to have them gone when He isn&#8217;t willing that they should perish. I realize your talking a corporal death penalty while the Bible was speaking of a spiritual one but&#8211;logic  tells me that if you convict a person of a sin (such as sodomy) and then administer the death penalty to them, that kinda cinches the deal on the spiritual death too. Yeah, I know, people do come to accept Jesus as their savior on death row. I&#8217;d be willing to wager (if I was a gambler) though that more people than not whose lives ended on a death row&#8230;they ended with BOTH&#8230;they ended with a physical AND a spiritual death. </p>
<p>This whole notion of criminalization disturbs me. While I agree that we can and should criminalize any number of behaviors, I&#8217;ve always had a weird caution. You see, we Christians KNOW that it ain&#8217;t &#8216;being good&#8217; that&#8217;s going to get us into heaven. The Bible tells us that, as far as heaven&#8217;s concerned, our personal &#8216;righteousness&#8217; stinks. So, it&#8217;s always bothered me when Christians go on these crusades to legislate morality. Let&#8217;s say you stop that homosexual individual from doing anything sexual with anybody for his or her entire lifetime because they fear the death penalty. Tell me, once their span on earth is done, will that grant them access to heaven? This may be a personal bias but I&#8217;ve long suspected that many Christians would rather criminalize than evangelize. And that&#8217;s a bit weird since I can find the command to evangelize in the Bible but not the command to criminalize. </p>
<p>I do worry ofttimes about the approach I&#8217;ve taken; I wonder if I&#8217;m not as forthright and direct in confronting sin as I should be. It is my hope that you will also worry sometimes. That you&#8217;ll worry that your approach is selective&#8230;that it&#8217;s elevating one sin above others&#8211;and that&#8217;s it&#8217;s not balancing the messages of redemption and judgement.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 05:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In my opinion, those who claim that the only &quot;genuine Christians&quot; are those who agree with their hatred -- and their grand scheme to kill off all sinners but themselves --  are neither genuine nor Christian.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, those who claim that the only &#8220;genuine Christians&#8221; are those who agree with their hatred &#8212; and their grand scheme to kill off all sinners but themselves &#8212;  are neither genuine nor Christian.</p>
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