Comments on: Is Uganda’s Anti-Homosexuality Bill part of reclaiming the 7 mountains of culture, Part Two http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/12/04/is-ugandas-anti-homosexuality-bill-part-of-reclaiming-the-7-mountains-of-culture-part-two/ A College Psychology Professor's Observations About Public Policy, Mental Health, Sexual Identity, and Religious Issues Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:15:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Uganda health minister linked to Bahati bill deputy Julius Oyet — Warren Throckmorton http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/12/04/is-ugandas-anti-homosexuality-bill-part-of-reclaiming-the-7-mountains-of-culture-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-379509 Uganda health minister linked to Bahati bill deputy Julius Oyet — Warren Throckmorton Fri, 02 Sep 2011 12:30:26 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=5485#comment-379509 [...] Lifeline church. Oyet is a Ugandan proponent of the Seven Mountains teaching which calls Christians to gain dominion in a nation by gaining prominence in all domains of society, including the [...] [...] Lifeline church. Oyet is a Ugandan proponent of the Seven Mountains teaching which calls Christians to gain dominion in a nation by gaining prominence in all domains of society, including the [...]

]]> By: What would dominionists do with gays? — Warren Throckmorton http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/12/04/is-ugandas-anti-homosexuality-bill-part-of-reclaiming-the-7-mountains-of-culture-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-378388 What would dominionists do with gays? — Warren Throckmorton Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:29:58 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=5485#comment-378388 [...] the Seven Mountains of culture, I asked him what he thought about laws criminalizing homosexuality. His reply leaves room for criminalization but stops short of calling for the death penalty: As to the [...] [...] the Seven Mountains of culture, I asked him what he thought about laws criminalizing homosexuality. His reply leaves room for criminalization but stops short of calling for the death penalty: As to the [...]

]]> By: Another US connection to the Anti-Homosexuality Bill: Disciple Nations Alliance and Stephen Langa — Warren Throckmorton http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/12/04/is-ugandas-anti-homosexuality-bill-part-of-reclaiming-the-7-mountains-of-culture-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-223008 Another US connection to the Anti-Homosexuality Bill: Disciple Nations Alliance and Stephen Langa — Warren Throckmorton Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:37:25 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=5485#comment-223008 [...] in introducing or defending the bill. Among many influences and connections, I have looked at New Apostolic Reformation teachers, the College of Prayer and the Fellowship Foundation. The post introduces another possible [...] [...] in introducing or defending the bill. Among many influences and connections, I have looked at New Apostolic Reformation teachers, the College of Prayer and the Fellowship Foundation. The post introduces another possible [...]

]]> By: Charisma Magazine reports on 7 mountains teaching and Anti-Homosexuality Bill — Warren Throckmorton http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/12/04/is-ugandas-anti-homosexuality-bill-part-of-reclaiming-the-7-mountains-of-culture-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-222999 Charisma Magazine reports on 7 mountains teaching and Anti-Homosexuality Bill — Warren Throckmorton Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:33:34 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=5485#comment-222999 [...] statement is interesting because he endorsed Johnny Enlow’s book on the 7 mountains teaching which essentially called for criminalization of homosexuality (Enlow [...] [...] statement is interesting because he endorsed Johnny Enlow’s book on the 7 mountains teaching which essentially called for criminalization of homosexuality (Enlow [...]

]]> By: Lynn David http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/12/04/is-ugandas-anti-homosexuality-bill-part-of-reclaiming-the-7-mountains-of-culture-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-222451 Lynn David Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:40:49 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=5485#comment-222451 <blockquote><strong>Eddy....</strong> I pointedly separate pedophiles from homosexuals in my last few posts, where do you get your notion that I don't seem to understand that they are trying to tie the two together? I say that homosexuality itself ought not to be criminalized while pedophilia should, where do you get the notion that I support the removal of gay rights? You attempt to inform me that they already have a law that protects male children from pedophilia; I've cited that fact myself several times.</blockquote> Where did I say you did support the removal of gay rights? I was speaking only of the effects of the bill. And since we're supposedly on the same page, I'll quit talking about it here. We don't seem to understand each other very well and I'd rather not get into an argument when it seems that semantics is the problem.

Eddy…. I pointedly separate pedophiles from homosexuals in my last few posts, where do you get your notion that I don’t seem to understand that they are trying to tie the two together?
I say that homosexuality itself ought not to be criminalized while pedophilia should, where do you get the notion that I support the removal of gay rights?
You attempt to inform me that they already have a law that protects male children from pedophilia; I’ve cited that fact myself several times.

Where did I say you did support the removal of gay rights? I was speaking only of the effects of the bill. And since we’re supposedly on the same page, I’ll quit talking about it here. We don’t seem to understand each other very well and I’d rather not get into an argument when it seems that semantics is the problem.

]]> By: Eddy http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/12/04/is-ugandas-anti-homosexuality-bill-part-of-reclaiming-the-7-mountains-of-culture-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-222373 Eddy Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:08:28 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=5485#comment-222373 It's supposed to be a discussion not a dissertation. :-) I've said my piece...now waiting to see if others have anything to add or amend. It’s supposed to be a discussion not a dissertation. :-)
I’ve said my piece…now waiting to see if others have anything to add or amend.

]]> By: Michael Bussee http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/12/04/is-ugandas-anti-homosexuality-bill-part-of-reclaiming-the-7-mountains-of-culture-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-222368 Michael Bussee Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:17:26 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=5485#comment-222368 I still kinda do. But I'm listening anyhow. Please,carry on. I still kinda do. But I’m listening anyhow. Please,carry on.

]]> By: Eddy http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/12/04/is-ugandas-anti-homosexuality-bill-part-of-reclaiming-the-7-mountains-of-culture-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-222366 Eddy Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:57:05 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=5485#comment-222366 Lynn David-- I pointedly separate pedophiles from homosexuals in my last few posts, where do you get your notion that I don't seem to understand that they are trying to tie the two together? I say that homosexuality itself ought not to be criminalized while pedophilia should, where do you get the notion that I support the removal of gay rights? You attempt to inform me that they already have a law that protects male children from pedophilia; I've cited that fact myself several times. The above points support why I said that you've missed me by a mile. I did not say that you were offended by ME. I said you were offended by my perspective. I still believe that to be true. Let's not wrangle over nuances of meaning. The following sure suggests to me that you found my pov offensive: <blockquote>What compromise can take place with a bill so steeped in homophobia as to be inhuman itself? Let’s forget that they lumped pedophilia &/or sex with minors into a bill to demonize gay people</blockquote> I suggested <em>discussing</em> a penalty less than the death penalty for certain offenses; you interpreted this as follows: <blockquote>So what’s the point of dithering down the punishment <em>from death to life in prison </em>– life imprisonment already is the punishment for that crime!</blockquote> Where did I suggest what that lesser penalty ought to be? Sorry, but it sure does sound like you find<em> the idea of talking 'compromise' </em> (my perspective) offensive. . Lynn David–
I pointedly separate pedophiles from homosexuals in my last few posts, where do you get your notion that I don’t seem to understand that they are trying to tie the two together?
I say that homosexuality itself ought not to be criminalized while pedophilia should, where do you get the notion that I support the removal of gay rights?
You attempt to inform me that they already have a law that protects male children from pedophilia; I’ve cited that fact myself several times.

The above points support why I said that you’ve missed me by a mile.

I did not say that you were offended by ME. I said you were offended by my perspective. I still believe that to be true. Let’s not wrangle over nuances of meaning. The following sure suggests to me that you found my pov offensive:

What compromise can take place with a bill so steeped in homophobia as to be inhuman itself? Let’s forget that they lumped pedophilia &/or sex with minors into a bill to demonize gay people

I suggested discussing a penalty less than the death penalty for certain offenses; you interpreted this as follows:

So what’s the point of dithering down the punishment from death to life in prison – life imprisonment already is the punishment for that crime!

Where did I suggest what that lesser penalty ought to be?

Sorry, but it sure does sound like you find the idea of talking ‘compromise’ (my perspective) offensive.

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]]> By: Lynn David http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/12/04/is-ugandas-anti-homosexuality-bill-part-of-reclaiming-the-7-mountains-of-culture-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-222332 Lynn David Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:37:12 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=5485#comment-222332 I was offended by you? Where did I say that? I am offended by this bill. You evidently have a rather thin skin. . You seem to not understand that the point of the bill is to tie gays and lesbians to pedophiles and then remove their human rights. They do this by saying that no law exists to stop male pedophiles from preying on male children; and yet such a law does exist in Uganda. BTW... when I wrote my next earliest post yours at 2:27 was the last post I knew about. If one later one has meaning for you, that doesn't have meaning for me, I had no knowledge of it. Why mine didn't show up until after 8pm, I do not know. I was offended by you? Where did I say that? I am offended by this bill. You evidently have a rather thin skin.
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You seem to not understand that the point of the bill is to tie gays and lesbians to pedophiles and then remove their human rights. They do this by saying that no law exists to stop male pedophiles from preying on male children; and yet such a law does exist in Uganda.

BTW… when I wrote my next earliest post yours at 2:27 was the last post I knew about. If one later one has meaning for you, that doesn’t have meaning for me, I had no knowledge of it. Why mine didn’t show up until after 8pm, I do not know.

]]> By: Eddy http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/12/04/is-ugandas-anti-homosexuality-bill-part-of-reclaiming-the-7-mountains-of-culture-part-two/comment-page-1/#comment-222329 Eddy Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:34:40 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=5485#comment-222329 Lynn David-- You and I are obviously not on the same page. I trust that this blogsite is big enough to contain us both. I'm sorry my perspective offends you; yours disturbs me. I really don't see how either one of us is going to come to an understanding of the other. I feel you've missed me by a mile...and I'm sure you likely feel that you know me better than I know myself. I am at peace, though, knowing that I don't fit that pigeonhole you've got me in. Tell you what, though. I'll make a concession...a compromise of my own. Recognizing how much rancor my approach seems to stir up, I will not taint the voices you've been able to muster by speaking up myself. I won't be silent here on Warren's blogsite (I believe strongly in freedom of speech--including my own) but in all other arenas I will keep silent. Lynn David–
You and I are obviously not on the same page. I trust that this blogsite is big enough to contain us both. I’m sorry my perspective offends you; yours disturbs me. I really don’t see how either one of us is going to come to an understanding of the other. I feel you’ve missed me by a mile…and I’m sure you likely feel that you know me better than I know myself. I am at peace, though, knowing that I don’t fit that pigeonhole you’ve got me in.
Tell you what, though. I’ll make a concession…a compromise of my own. Recognizing how much rancor my approach seems to stir up, I will not taint the voices you’ve been able to muster by speaking up myself. I won’t be silent here on Warren’s blogsite (I believe strongly in freedom of speech–including my own) but in all other arenas I will keep silent.

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