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	Comments on: Anglican group hosts reparative therapy conference in London	</title>
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		By: Debbie Thurman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Debbie Thurman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Preach it, brother.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preach it, brother.</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How about, as a site, if we begin a fun posting about all psychotherapies (and their chief advocates) who over-promise...
Joe N. is well documented...how does Joe Kort, do?
What about all advocacy groups...?
We could get a posting on Pro...Con...org.
The &quot;overselling&quot; of psychology is directly related to the marketing of psychological services and requires the &quot;pathologization&quot; of the general public through &quot;education.&quot;
Are you aware that at one point or another 50% of the population will meet the criteria for a mental illness in their lifetime?
Does that make &quot;mental illness&quot; as a diagnostic category about as useful as &quot;allergy?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about, as a site, if we begin a fun posting about all psychotherapies (and their chief advocates) who over-promise&#8230;<br />
Joe N. is well documented&#8230;how does Joe Kort, do?<br />
What about all advocacy groups&#8230;?<br />
We could get a posting on Pro&#8230;Con&#8230;org.<br />
The &#8220;overselling&#8221; of psychology is directly related to the marketing of psychological services and requires the &#8220;pathologization&#8221; of the general public through &#8220;education.&#8221;<br />
Are you aware that at one point or another 50% of the population will meet the criteria for a mental illness in their lifetime?<br />
Does that make &#8220;mental illness&#8221; as a diagnostic category about as useful as &#8220;allergy?&#8221;</p>
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		By: Debbie Thurman		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/04/24/anglican-group-hosts-reparative-therapy-conference-in-london/#comment-27052</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Debbie Thurman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On that point, I agree with David.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On that point, I agree with David.</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/04/24/anglican-group-hosts-reparative-therapy-conference-in-london/#comment-27051</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Psychotherapy, GENERALLY, makes the assertion that Nicolosi makes specifically:
&quot;troublesome interpersonal behaviors are, in part, due to poor developmental relationships which resulted in immature development.&quot;
It is theoretically sound on many levels, but unprovable.
Furthermore, it oversimplifies the client, restricts the number of treatment interventions available and focuses the client in the past....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Psychotherapy, GENERALLY, makes the assertion that Nicolosi makes specifically:<br />
&#8220;troublesome interpersonal behaviors are, in part, due to poor developmental relationships which resulted in immature development.&#8221;<br />
It is theoretically sound on many levels, but unprovable.<br />
Furthermore, it oversimplifies the client, restricts the number of treatment interventions available and focuses the client in the past&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Debbie Thurman		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2009/04/24/anglican-group-hosts-reparative-therapy-conference-in-london/#comment-27050</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Debbie Thurman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 11:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This assessment of the limitations of psychotherapy comes from a trans (female-to-male) therapist I spoke with a few years ago:
&lt;blockquote&gt;However, I came to see that those who assumed therapy to be non-effective because its results are not scientifically measurable, were illogically assuming that everything worthwhile and effective can be assessed via science.  I came to a different conclusion: that people cannot be reduced to variables that can be scientifically manipulated as one can manipulate drug dosages to determine their efficacy. If people cannot be reduced to variables in a laboratory setting then it follows that they cannot be studied using the scientific method, as manipulation of variables under controlled conditions is the very basis of that methodology.
Taking this line of reasoning further, it occurred to me that assigning people to DSM categories is also a flawed methodology, as there is no objective testing method that can back up the categorical assignment. Assessment itself is subjective, one human being assessing another. I became disillusioned with science as applied to the therapeutic or the diagnostic process. It became clear to me that therapy and assessment is an art, rather than a science. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
It is equally clear that true consensus among APA members is a rare thing. It will be interesting to see what comes out of the task force.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This assessment of the limitations of psychotherapy comes from a trans (female-to-male) therapist I spoke with a few years ago:</p>
<blockquote><p>However, I came to see that those who assumed therapy to be non-effective because its results are not scientifically measurable, were illogically assuming that everything worthwhile and effective can be assessed via science.  I came to a different conclusion: that people cannot be reduced to variables that can be scientifically manipulated as one can manipulate drug dosages to determine their efficacy. If people cannot be reduced to variables in a laboratory setting then it follows that they cannot be studied using the scientific method, as manipulation of variables under controlled conditions is the very basis of that methodology.<br />
Taking this line of reasoning further, it occurred to me that assigning people to DSM categories is also a flawed methodology, as there is no objective testing method that can back up the categorical assignment. Assessment itself is subjective, one human being assessing another. I became disillusioned with science as applied to the therapeutic or the diagnostic process. It became clear to me that therapy and assessment is an art, rather than a science. </p></blockquote>
<p>It is equally clear that true consensus among APA members is a rare thing. It will be interesting to see what comes out of the task force.</p>
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