Comments on: Obama Junior Fraternity Regiment

By: Kurtis

Kurtis — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:07:01 +0000

Yeah, in case it wasn’t clear before guys, I apologize. I reacted the way I did because I thought Warren was reacting seriously to what I’d seen as a pretty stupid over-the-top video. I am crazy, but hopefully not as much as I sound in that original comment!

By: Warren

Warren — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:15:58 +0000

No problem Kurtis…there are many versions out there using Movie Maker to splice in all sorts of things.

Note that the school where the teacher worked has taken some action against the teacher but it is hard to tell whether it is because the school sees the issue or because they were found out.

By: Kurtis

Kurtis — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:12:28 +0000

Hey guys, I saw this version of the video and wrongly assumed Warren was talking about the same thing. So cut me some slack!

I still don’t understand the outrage, but I did see it in the context of hyperbole first.

By: Kurtis

Kurtis — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:58:35 +0000

I’ll admit you see it on both sides; I apologize if it sounded like I stated otherwise. (Though some on the evangelical right did like standing up both 8 and 4 years ago and proclaiming they got Bush elected, so some think it happens more on one side than the other.) I had just read the Stanley Fish piece about Pastor’s sending copies of their sermons where they openly endorse McCain to the IRS in defiance of their tax-exempt restrictions which is why that was in my head. Obviously there are churches on both sides that do this, and many probably more openly than they should.

As for the kids singing, though, I’m still bothered by your “worship music about [Obama]” statement. Kids sing all kinds of stuff (with varying degrees of musical accuracy) at concerts and at the end parents all stand up an applaud. You can make anything creepy by cutting in Nazi and North Korea clips into it.

By: Randy

Randy — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:34:29 +0000

wow.

By: Warren

Warren — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:23:14 +0000

Kurtis – As for McCain in worship services (which you won’t be seeing anywhere I attend), that would be about what is happening (but for Obama) in more liberal churches all over (Bill Clinton, in particular, was a beneficiary of that and i assume Obama will be as well). I don’t think it is a good thing but I would not have the same reaction as I have to the videos of teens and young children paying worship to Obama. If McCain was at the center of something like that, I would be just as creeped out and I suspect the McCain campaign would distance itself from it. The Venice CA video of little kids was on the Obama website for a time.

By: Kurtis

Kurtis — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:00:18 +0000

That was kinda funny.

Wait, people take it seriously?

I’m sure that the other side has never put together anything so full of crazy imagery and false propaganda.

Oh wait…. I think exhorting to “vote McCain” in the middle of a Sunday morning worship service context would count. Stanley Fish has an op-ed in the NYT today about the cases likely to be brought to the Supreme Court soon about just such issues.

Obviously, the people doing both are seriously muddled and disturbed. We do ourselves an injustice when we give air (or bandwidth) to their causes.

By: minty

minty — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:23:56 +0000

Sad and kinda grim. Could be a cutscene from a Stephen King orphanage novel.

By: Marty

Marty — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:15:26 +0000

The brownshirts can’t be far behind.

A cult of personality is still a cult.

By: Kate

Kate — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:05:40 +0000

Swiped and posted!