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	Comments on: The Bieber study: A review revisited	</title>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 06:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[EBE?   Extraterrestrial Biological Entity???
Eh.... told you so.   Absent fathers make for lousy heterosexual husbands, nothing more.
BTW.... reports of my death are an exaggeration... though losing 10  pints of blood made me a little woozey.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EBE?   Extraterrestrial Biological Entity???<br />
Eh&#8230;. told you so.   Absent fathers make for lousy heterosexual husbands, nothing more.<br />
BTW&#8230;. reports of my death are an exaggeration&#8230; though losing 10  pints of blood made me a little woozey.</p>
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		By: Dave G.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave G.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Evan
&lt;blockquote&gt;From your comment 117548 I get the idea that you believe in the influence of parental relations on a child’s future sexual orientation and/or behaviour.
    &quot;Personal history and home environment will have an effect on gradient of attraction. Family stability/instability has a proven effect on behavior, and good or bad choices of response to attracting stimuli, including relationships.&quot;
The Langstrom et al study points to 0 shared environmental influence on twins’ same-sex sexual behaviour. You can, at most, claim that somehow parental influence gets into different treatment of each twin or different response of each twin to similar parenting (with one twin being more vulnerable to a particular parental approach). But you would have to produce some empirical evidence for that. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
A twin can at will either choose to emulate his brother, or go in a different direction to express his individuality, while interacting with his home environment. One might choose to regularly read Popular Mechanics, and the other Playboy. This choice will set different directions for behavior, as well as values and convictions. The free will factor cannot be discounted or eclipsed by congenital or environmental conditions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan</p>
<blockquote><p>From your comment 117548 I get the idea that you believe in the influence of parental relations on a child’s future sexual orientation and/or behaviour.<br />
    &#8220;Personal history and home environment will have an effect on gradient of attraction. Family stability/instability has a proven effect on behavior, and good or bad choices of response to attracting stimuli, including relationships.&#8221;<br />
The Langstrom et al study points to 0 shared environmental influence on twins’ same-sex sexual behaviour. You can, at most, claim that somehow parental influence gets into different treatment of each twin or different response of each twin to similar parenting (with one twin being more vulnerable to a particular parental approach). But you would have to produce some empirical evidence for that. </p></blockquote>
<p>A twin can at will either choose to emulate his brother, or go in a different direction to express his individuality, while interacting with his home environment. One might choose to regularly read Popular Mechanics, and the other Playboy. This choice will set different directions for behavior, as well as values and convictions. The free will factor cannot be discounted or eclipsed by congenital or environmental conditions.</p>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drowssap]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Evan&lt;/strong&gt;
Cool, I hope you build the site.
BTW, on that mouse, fear of cats instinct...
This shows that long ago a mouse had a random genetic mutation that gave it an intense fear of cats.  Because cat-phobia works wonders for the survival rate of mice this gene and corresponding trait spread around the globe.
If the same &quot;fear of cats&quot; mutation happened in people doctors would consider it a mental illness.  It&#039;s interesting to me that a genetic trait can be viewed as healthy and natural in one organism and a mental disorder in another.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Evan</strong><br />
Cool, I hope you build the site.<br />
BTW, on that mouse, fear of cats instinct&#8230;<br />
This shows that long ago a mouse had a random genetic mutation that gave it an intense fear of cats.  Because cat-phobia works wonders for the survival rate of mice this gene and corresponding trait spread around the globe.<br />
If the same &#8220;fear of cats&#8221; mutation happened in people doctors would consider it a mental illness.  It&#8217;s interesting to me that a genetic trait can be viewed as healthy and natural in one organism and a mental disorder in another.</p>
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		By: Drowssap		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drowssap]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Evan&lt;/strong&gt;
New York Times, Gene-Hunters Find Hope and Hurdles in Schizophrenia Studies
You might find this one interesting because it says a lot about how the gay gene is going to work out.  Cliff notes... it aint happening.
&lt;blockquote&gt;“We’ve looked for common variants in schizophrenia and get almost nothing,” said Dr. David Goldstein, a geneticist at Duke University and one of Dr. Stefansson’s co-authors. “This means natural selection has done a really good job of purging them away, and we’re left with rare variants, a constant flow of them, as the principal driver of the disease.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;The search for common variants in schizophrenia, however, has not been very successful so far, though not for want of trying. There have been more than a thousand studies, implicating 3,608 genetic variants.
But when all the data are pooled, only 24 of those variants turn out to be statistically significant, according to an analysis in the current issue of Nature Genetics by a group led by Dr. Lars Bertram of Massachusetts General Hospital.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
One last note, if you read the story one scientist theorizes that since common genes don&#039;t lead to Schiz it must be caused by thousands of rare mutations.  Guess what?  WRONG!  Mutation isn&#039;t nearly common enough to give 1% of the population a mental disorder.  Schiz is triggered by environmental damage and he knows it.  He&#039;s trying to protect the funding for his his gene research.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Evan</strong><br />
New York Times, Gene-Hunters Find Hope and Hurdles in Schizophrenia Studies<br />
You might find this one interesting because it says a lot about how the gay gene is going to work out.  Cliff notes&#8230; it aint happening.</p>
<blockquote><p>“We’ve looked for common variants in schizophrenia and get almost nothing,” said Dr. David Goldstein, a geneticist at Duke University and one of Dr. Stefansson’s co-authors. “This means natural selection has done a really good job of purging them away, and we’re left with rare variants, a constant flow of them, as the principal driver of the disease.”</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>The search for common variants in schizophrenia, however, has not been very successful so far, though not for want of trying. There have been more than a thousand studies, implicating 3,608 genetic variants.<br />
But when all the data are pooled, only 24 of those variants turn out to be statistically significant, according to an analysis in the current issue of Nature Genetics by a group led by Dr. Lars Bertram of Massachusetts General Hospital.</p></blockquote>
<p>One last note, if you read the story one scientist theorizes that since common genes don&#8217;t lead to Schiz it must be caused by thousands of rare mutations.  Guess what?  WRONG!  Mutation isn&#8217;t nearly common enough to give 1% of the population a mental disorder.  Schiz is triggered by environmental damage and he knows it.  He&#8217;s trying to protect the funding for his his gene research.</p>
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		By: Evan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Drowssap,
=)))
I lolled at the jokes. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drowssap,<br />
=)))<br />
I lolled at the jokes. 🙂</p>
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