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	<title>Comments on: Wayne Besen links rape and the ex-gay movement</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Bussee</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/05/07/wayne-besen-links-rape-and-ex-gays/comment-page-2/#comment-100966</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bussee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary  Alan Chambers is the head of EXODUS.  As such, he has the responsibility to LEAD -- which means calling Black on the carpet when he needs it.  Otherwise, it makes EXODUS look worse than it already is.  SILENCE IMPIES CONSENT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary  Alan Chambers is the head of EXODUS.  As such, he has the responsibility to LEAD &#8212; which means calling Black on the carpet when he needs it.  Otherwise, it makes EXODUS look worse than it already is.  SILENCE IMPIES CONSENT.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/05/07/wayne-besen-links-rape-and-ex-gays/comment-page-2/#comment-100773</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pam - You gave me a good laugh with your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam &#8211; You gave me a good laugh with your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/05/07/wayne-besen-links-rape-and-ex-gays/comment-page-2/#comment-100771</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 02:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not challenge Black to issue a statment since he is the one making it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not challenge Black to issue a statment since he is the one making it?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/05/07/wayne-besen-links-rape-and-ex-gays/comment-page-2/#comment-100756</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 22:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez Michael and et al,

Wayne knows exactly what he did in posting a provocative title to his writing.   That he goes on to say that EXODUS and such groups would not support such a thing totally - again - overlooks the real issue - girls being raped (by any other name ) is still rape.  Men and boys have called it many things - whatever - that girl woman needed to learn a lesson (power, control, violence against a whole gender.)  It is the abuse of girls that is being overlooked and Besen spun it to his advantage and now cries foul?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez Michael and et al,</p>
<p>Wayne knows exactly what he did in posting a provocative title to his writing.   That he goes on to say that EXODUS and such groups would not support such a thing totally &#8211; again &#8211; overlooks the real issue &#8211; girls being raped (by any other name ) is still rape.  Men and boys have called it many things &#8211; whatever &#8211; that girl woman needed to learn a lesson (power, control, violence against a whole gender.)  It is the abuse of girls that is being overlooked and Besen spun it to his advantage and now cries foul?</p>
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		<title>By: pam ferguson</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/05/07/wayne-besen-links-rape-and-ex-gays/comment-page-2/#comment-100753</link>
		<dc:creator>pam ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize that Stephen Black had &quot;called out&quot; XGW like that.  What a deal.  The guy has absolutely no idea what he&#039;s talking about. His cozying up to Kern and then spouting off statements like that discredits anything else he might say as far as I&#039;m concerned. 

I rarely read Wayne&#039;s stuff either.  It&#039;s not that I don&#039;t agree with some of the points he makes (as I&#039;ve stated here), it&#039;s just that when someone speaks with that sort of verbage it&#039;s the ultimate red flag . 

For me, to try and engage meaningfully with people (like Besen or Black) who communicate in those terms is, as they say, like mud wrestling a pig.  We both get dirty and the pig enjoys it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize that Stephen Black had &#8220;called out&#8221; XGW like that.  What a deal.  The guy has absolutely no idea what he&#8217;s talking about. His cozying up to Kern and then spouting off statements like that discredits anything else he might say as far as I&#8217;m concerned. </p>
<p>I rarely read Wayne&#8217;s stuff either.  It&#8217;s not that I don&#8217;t agree with some of the points he makes (as I&#8217;ve stated here), it&#8217;s just that when someone speaks with that sort of verbage it&#8217;s the ultimate red flag . </p>
<p>For me, to try and engage meaningfully with people (like Besen or Black) who communicate in those terms is, as they say, like mud wrestling a pig.  We both get dirty and the pig enjoys it.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/05/07/wayne-besen-links-rape-and-ex-gays/comment-page-2/#comment-100741</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Michael, I meant the tone of Peterson&#039;s post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Michael, I meant the tone of Peterson&#8217;s post.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bussee</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/05/07/wayne-besen-links-rape-and-ex-gays/comment-page-2/#comment-100740</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bussee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warren has pointed out to me that my last comment was uncalled for:  &quot;Trouble is, Alan doesn’t have the strength of character to do it.&quot;

I take it back.  Maybe he does.  We shall see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren has pointed out to me that my last comment was uncalled for:  &#8220;Trouble is, Alan doesn’t have the strength of character to do it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I take it back.  Maybe he does.  We shall see.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bussee</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/05/07/wayne-besen-links-rape-and-ex-gays/comment-page-2/#comment-100736</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bussee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK I read it.  I agree with Toscano that what Wayne was was doing was citing yet another &lt;em&gt;horrific &lt;/em&gt;example of some of the abuses that have been done in the name of &quot;fixing&quot; gays.  As I have said, I personally would not have chosen the title and I wish Wayne had not done so.  I think it was wrong to call it part of the &quot;Ex-gay Movement&quot; --  to even imply or give the impression that the &quot;Ex-gay Movement&quot;  would ever approve of such evil.

And, I do not think that Wayne was accusing EXODUS of doing this or endorsing this.  In fact, I think he made that pretty clear that he was NOT.  

I would not have chosen the same title because it is inflammatory and seems to imply that EXODUS or the &quot;Ex-gay Movement&quot; was somehow responsible..  That is not &quot;winking at it&quot; -- at least not on my part.  But abuses have been committed in the name of &quot;fixing gays&quot; and these need to be exposed.  

I would have titled the piece &quot;Rape of African Girls:  Yet Another Example Of The Horrific Abuses Committed In The Name Of Reparing Gays&quot;.  That would have been both fair and accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK I read it.  I agree with Toscano that what Wayne was was doing was citing yet another <em>horrific </em>example of some of the abuses that have been done in the name of &#8220;fixing&#8221; gays.  As I have said, I personally would not have chosen the title and I wish Wayne had not done so.  I think it was wrong to call it part of the &#8220;Ex-gay Movement&#8221; &#8212;  to even imply or give the impression that the &#8220;Ex-gay Movement&#8221;  would ever approve of such evil.</p>
<p>And, I do not think that Wayne was accusing EXODUS of doing this or endorsing this.  In fact, I think he made that pretty clear that he was NOT.  </p>
<p>I would not have chosen the same title because it is inflammatory and seems to imply that EXODUS or the &#8220;Ex-gay Movement&#8221; was somehow responsible..  That is not &#8220;winking at it&#8221; &#8212; at least not on my part.  But abuses have been committed in the name of &#8220;fixing gays&#8221; and these need to be exposed.  </p>
<p>I would have titled the piece &#8220;Rape of African Girls:  Yet Another Example Of The Horrific Abuses Committed In The Name Of Reparing Gays&#8221;.  That would have been both fair and accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bussee</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/05/07/wayne-besen-links-rape-and-ex-gays/comment-page-2/#comment-100732</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bussee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warren: &lt;strong&gt; LOW BLOW!&lt;/strong&gt;   You are WAY out of line in suggesting that that  &quot;as long as it is for the cause, you can use provocative titles and language, and it is fine.&quot;  It is NOT &quot;fine&quot;  and I strongly resent you accusing me of it.

I have not yet read Peterson/s comments, but I will  -- and if I feel they are out of line I will say so OPENLY AND CLEARLY.    But I am just a private citizen, not a member or leader of any organization.  I have no official title or authority.   Alan Chambers, on the other hand, will not censure leaders of the organization of which he is President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren: <strong> LOW BLOW!</strong>   You are WAY out of line in suggesting that that  &#8220;as long as it is for the cause, you can use provocative titles and language, and it is fine.&#8221;  It is NOT &#8220;fine&#8221;  and I strongly resent you accusing me of it.</p>
<p>I have not yet read Peterson/s comments, but I will  &#8212; and if I feel they are out of line I will say so OPENLY AND CLEARLY.    But I am just a private citizen, not a member or leader of any organization.  I have no official title or authority.   Alan Chambers, on the other hand, will not censure leaders of the organization of which he is President.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/05/07/wayne-besen-links-rape-and-ex-gays/comment-page-2/#comment-100730</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Michael, why are you not over at Peterson Toscano&#039;s blog taking him to task for winking at Wayne&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://a_musing.blogspot.com/2008/05/diverse-approaches-reveals-complexity.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;provocative title&lt;/a&gt;?

As long as it is for the cause, you can use provocative titles and language, and it is fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Michael, why are you not over at Peterson Toscano&#8217;s blog taking him to task for winking at Wayne&#8217;s <a href="http://a_musing.blogspot.com/2008/05/diverse-approaches-reveals-complexity.html" rel="nofollow">provocative title</a>?</p>
<p>As long as it is for the cause, you can use provocative titles and language, and it is fine.</p>
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