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	<description>A College Psychology Professor&#039;s Observations About Public Policy, Mental Health, Sexual Identity, and Religious Issues</description>
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		<title>By: Concerned</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/04/29/on-science-and-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-122470</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbara,
    &lt;em&gt;&quot;Why can&#039;t we all agree and save our planet&#039;s future?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

      Because the ego takes us over and causes the disconnect between the inner Child and the outer Adult.    It is so interesting that you have brought this up at this time.   I read a book recently on exactly this topic and it was very revealing.   The problem, as I see it, is that our Western Culture has been focused on competition as the route force in nature ever since Darwin and the Industrial Revolution.   When we acknowledge that it is not competition, but cooperation that needs to drive us our need for dominance is no longer as important.
      I do not see any difference in Religion or Science.  They are both looking for truth, but in different ways.    When both come to the realization that they are looking for the same things perhaps we will see some progress in the areas you have concerns about.   I believe there is an ultimate truth it is just not that clear to us in our journey through life, that is where faith comes in, whether it is in ones religious tradition or the scientific process in its purest sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara,<br />
    <em>&#8220;Why can&#8217;t we all agree and save our planet&#8217;s future?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>      Because the ego takes us over and causes the disconnect between the inner Child and the outer Adult.    It is so interesting that you have brought this up at this time.   I read a book recently on exactly this topic and it was very revealing.   The problem, as I see it, is that our Western Culture has been focused on competition as the route force in nature ever since Darwin and the Industrial Revolution.   When we acknowledge that it is not competition, but cooperation that needs to drive us our need for dominance is no longer as important.<br />
      I do not see any difference in Religion or Science.  They are both looking for truth, but in different ways.    When both come to the realization that they are looking for the same things perhaps we will see some progress in the areas you have concerns about.   I believe there is an ultimate truth it is just not that clear to us in our journey through life, that is where faith comes in, whether it is in ones religious tradition or the scientific process in its purest sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Sanchez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Wisdom of Truth
There is no doubt in my mind that intelligence in microorganisms (The God of Higher Being) creating an environment that could sustain life for all its creations of Living beings that live now and the ones that lived in history. 

 The interpretation of its meaning that began with spiritual beliefs in all religions is the children’s story version in a general overview of how life was created for our species to understand it. It is also the voice of wisdom from experience that gives instructions on encouraging healthy Human behavior that serve to protect us from ourselves and all others that we share this planet.  Our emotions and our self awareness of them are still in its infancy stage of learning that self discipline and cooperation with our environment is important for our survival.  

This is centered in the subconscious mind
Our emotional being
“The Child”

Science in all fields of research is the adult’s story version in the complexity of details of how life was created. The information is enormous in data for human comprehension.  

This is centered in the conscious mind

Our Self Awareness
“The Adult”


Religions since early human civilization have warned us that by not living by the behavior guidelines that we are taught to us as sin, immoral acts from our spiritual faith will have severe consequences.
These work as a destructive mechanism to the health of the planet.

Science is also telling the same story that what we are doing in destructive behavior on a global scale to the planet will also produce severe consequences.

Our spiritual belief that tells us the rules for moral human behavior and scientific facts tells us why they should have been obeyed.

Religion and Science is the Truth of Creation of Life

Why can’t we all agree and save our planet’s future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wisdom of Truth<br />
There is no doubt in my mind that intelligence in microorganisms (The God of Higher Being) creating an environment that could sustain life for all its creations of Living beings that live now and the ones that lived in history. </p>
<p> The interpretation of its meaning that began with spiritual beliefs in all religions is the children’s story version in a general overview of how life was created for our species to understand it. It is also the voice of wisdom from experience that gives instructions on encouraging healthy Human behavior that serve to protect us from ourselves and all others that we share this planet.  Our emotions and our self awareness of them are still in its infancy stage of learning that self discipline and cooperation with our environment is important for our survival.  </p>
<p>This is centered in the subconscious mind<br />
Our emotional being<br />
“The Child”</p>
<p>Science in all fields of research is the adult’s story version in the complexity of details of how life was created. The information is enormous in data for human comprehension.  </p>
<p>This is centered in the conscious mind</p>
<p>Our Self Awareness<br />
“The Adult”</p>
<p>Religions since early human civilization have warned us that by not living by the behavior guidelines that we are taught to us as sin, immoral acts from our spiritual faith will have severe consequences.<br />
These work as a destructive mechanism to the health of the planet.</p>
<p>Science is also telling the same story that what we are doing in destructive behavior on a global scale to the planet will also produce severe consequences.</p>
<p>Our spiritual belief that tells us the rules for moral human behavior and scientific facts tells us why they should have been obeyed.</p>
<p>Religion and Science is the Truth of Creation of Life</p>
<p>Why can’t we all agree and save our planet’s future?</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/04/29/on-science-and-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-100289</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 18:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Frank Elliott: I will ask you what I asked Peterson Toscano and his commenters - Is there a way in your view to determine via science what kind of sexual behavior any given person ought to engage in or refrain from engaging in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frank Elliott: I will ask you what I asked Peterson Toscano and his commenters &#8211; Is there a way in your view to determine via science what kind of sexual behavior any given person ought to engage in or refrain from engaging in?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Elliott</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/04/29/on-science-and-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-100288</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 18:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religion has its own &quot;anthropology,&quot; a model of human behavior.  Calling this model &quot;normative&quot; doesn&#039;t excuse the model from fault if the model makes faulty predictions or if adherence to the model causes harm.  Science can demonstrate that the assumptions such a model are demonstrably false; scienc can also reliably predict outcomes.  Religion isn&#039;t equipped to run societies alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religion has its own &#8220;anthropology,&#8221; a model of human behavior.  Calling this model &#8220;normative&#8221; doesn&#8217;t excuse the model from fault if the model makes faulty predictions or if adherence to the model causes harm.  Science can demonstrate that the assumptions such a model are demonstrably false; scienc can also reliably predict outcomes.  Religion isn&#8217;t equipped to run societies alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 14:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;jayhuck ~ May 3, 2008 at 2:30 pm 
99249 
Go homosexual &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Dat&#039;s right.

You see, the sin nature with which we are all created, thanks to Adam and Eve, offers up all kinds of ungodly options; and homosexuality, according to God, is one of them.  So, when that ungodly notion pops up, you gotta choice whether to go homosexual, or to go to the Word of God and avoid all the trouble homosexuality brings.

Jesus showed us how to avoid such temptations from the sin nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>jayhuck ~ May 3, 2008 at 2:30 pm<br />
99249<br />
Go homosexual </p></blockquote>
<p>Dat&#8217;s right.</p>
<p>You see, the sin nature with which we are all created, thanks to Adam and Eve, offers up all kinds of ungodly options; and homosexuality, according to God, is one of them.  So, when that ungodly notion pops up, you gotta choice whether to go homosexual, or to go to the Word of God and avoid all the trouble homosexuality brings.</p>
<p>Jesus showed us how to avoid such temptations from the sin nature.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 02:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who wants to have a crack at bisexuality...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who wants to have a crack at bisexuality&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jayhuck</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/04/29/on-science-and-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-99258</link>
		<dc:creator>jayhuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 20:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan,

People who simply won&#039;t or can&#039;t agree with science will ALWAYS go their own way - just look at supporters of Creationism and Intelligent Design - that doesn&#039;t mean that mainstream science should somehow give these individuals its blessing - LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan,</p>
<p>People who simply won&#8217;t or can&#8217;t agree with science will ALWAYS go their own way &#8211; just look at supporters of Creationism and Intelligent Design &#8211; that doesn&#8217;t mean that mainstream science should somehow give these individuals its blessing &#8211; LOL</p>
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		<title>By: jayhuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>jayhuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 20:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan,

Science should always listen, but that doesn&#039;t mean it can or should respond in the way people wish it would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan,</p>
<p>Science should always listen, but that doesn&#8217;t mean it can or should respond in the way people wish it would.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/04/29/on-science-and-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-99252</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 19:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Eddy&lt;/strong&gt;,

Thank you for your comments.

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Just to be very clear about my message - maybe my words were a bit too grand for the simple ideas behind them (yeah, my English is kind of stiff). All I am saying in that closing remark is that science works best when left alone by ideological or cultural wars. However, my concern goes to individual people and the hardship they go through every day of their life. I say these people must be listened to as individuals, not as supporters of ideologies. If a need appears among people and science can work towards empowering people more in the choices they make (sometimes against all odds), I say science should listen to the needs people express. After all, science should work for people, not for ideologies. It&#039;s not about winning a war or deciding who&#039;s right or wrong, it&#039;s about ending this divisive approach. I hope I&#039;m not being too naive!
It would be a real disappointment to hear scientists setting out to prove some religious beliefs &#039;wrong&#039; or some sexuality camp &#039;right&#039; -- or vice versa. I&#039;d say it&#039;s irrelevant to the point in question. We need to move on. If you won&#039;t, people will find ways to do it without all the emperors, kings and captains of the day in the high chairs of science or opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Eddy</strong>,</p>
<p>Thank you for your comments.</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>Just to be very clear about my message &#8211; maybe my words were a bit too grand for the simple ideas behind them (yeah, my English is kind of stiff). All I am saying in that closing remark is that science works best when left alone by ideological or cultural wars. However, my concern goes to individual people and the hardship they go through every day of their life. I say these people must be listened to as individuals, not as supporters of ideologies. If a need appears among people and science can work towards empowering people more in the choices they make (sometimes against all odds), I say science should listen to the needs people express. After all, science should work for people, not for ideologies. It&#8217;s not about winning a war or deciding who&#8217;s right or wrong, it&#8217;s about ending this divisive approach. I hope I&#8217;m not being too naive!<br />
It would be a real disappointment to hear scientists setting out to prove some religious beliefs &#8216;wrong&#8217; or some sexuality camp &#8216;right&#8217; &#8212; or vice versa. I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s irrelevant to the point in question. We need to move on. If you won&#8217;t, people will find ways to do it without all the emperors, kings and captains of the day in the high chairs of science or opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: jayhuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>jayhuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 19:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go homosexual - LOL :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go homosexual &#8211; LOL <img src='http://wthrockmorton.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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