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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/19/joe-dallas-on-christian-love-for-gays/#comment-70913</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[XatWar,



Welcome to the discussion.



I disagree with your assumptions about &quot;any religion&quot;.  Currently the United Methodists here in California have issued statements in support of marriage between same sex couples, along with a large number of other mainline Christian churches.  And the United Church of Christ along with the Unitarian Universalist, Quakers, and both Reform and Reconstructionist Jews are supportive of gays and lesbians Nationwide.



But I do agree that if we wish to witness to individuals and convince them that our understanding of Scripture reflects the will of God, it is best not to do so by calling them names.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>XatWar,</p>
<p>Welcome to the discussion.</p>
<p>I disagree with your assumptions about &#8220;any religion&#8221;.  Currently the United Methodists here in California have issued statements in support of marriage between same sex couples, along with a large number of other mainline Christian churches.  And the United Church of Christ along with the Unitarian Universalist, Quakers, and both Reform and Reconstructionist Jews are supportive of gays and lesbians Nationwide.</p>
<p>But I do agree that if we wish to witness to individuals and convince them that our understanding of Scripture reflects the will of God, it is best not to do so by calling them names.</p>
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		By: XatWar		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/03/19/joe-dallas-on-christian-love-for-gays/#comment-70912</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[XatWar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I came to this blog being referred by Americans for Truth. I am not sure what the problem is but I agree with Throckmorton on this one.



I do not believe homosexual behavior is taught by any religion but I do not see how homosexuals could feel any kind of love from Rep Kern when she said they were worse than terrorists and like cancers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came to this blog being referred by Americans for Truth. I am not sure what the problem is but I agree with Throckmorton on this one.</p>
<p>I do not believe homosexual behavior is taught by any religion but I do not see how homosexuals could feel any kind of love from Rep Kern when she said they were worse than terrorists and like cancers.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just to be fair, Joe Dallas didn&#039;t just lead a &quot;promiscous&quot; &lt;em&gt;gay&lt;/em&gt; lifestyle.  It seems he led a &lt;em&gt;bisexual&lt;/em&gt; one, too.    I suppose it&#039;s sort of like Randy Thomas of EXODUS calling  himself a &lt;em&gt;&quot;former homosexual&quot; &lt;/em&gt;even though he says he meets the &quot;&lt;em&gt;secular definition of bisexual&lt;/em&gt;&quot;  -- and continues to have &quot;&lt;em&gt;lustful&lt;/em&gt;&quot; feelings for both men &lt;em&gt;and &lt;/em&gt;women.



When it comes to the issue of &quot;change&quot;, bisexuality is often overlooked, but Joe Dallas talks about it in one of his earliest personal testimonies --  which I still have.  He decribes going back and forth between sexual relationships with both men and women.



When Joan Rivers challenged him about this, and asked him about his printed testimony, Joe  became very defensive and evasive.  Even though he readily agreed to talk about &quot;change&quot; on her show and flew all the way to New York to share it,  he said he &quot;made it a habit not to discuss his personal life&quot;.  Too late  --she already had it in his own words.



When pressed on the &quot;change&quot; issue, Joe told Joan that &quot;it&#039;s not a complete change from one end of the spectrum to the other -- we are all both&quot;.  He should speak for himself.  But, be that as it may,  &lt;em&gt;God loves ex-gay bisexuals, too.&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be fair, Joe Dallas didn&#8217;t just lead a &#8220;promiscous&#8221; <em>gay</em> lifestyle.  It seems he led a <em>bisexual</em> one, too.    I suppose it&#8217;s sort of like Randy Thomas of EXODUS calling  himself a <em>&#8220;former homosexual&#8221; </em>even though he says he meets the &#8220;<em>secular definition of bisexual</em>&#8221;  &#8212; and continues to have &#8220;<em>lustful</em>&#8221; feelings for both men <em>and </em>women.</p>
<p>When it comes to the issue of &#8220;change&#8221;, bisexuality is often overlooked, but Joe Dallas talks about it in one of his earliest personal testimonies &#8212;  which I still have.  He decribes going back and forth between sexual relationships with both men and women.</p>
<p>When Joan Rivers challenged him about this, and asked him about his printed testimony, Joe  became very defensive and evasive.  Even though he readily agreed to talk about &#8220;change&#8221; on her show and flew all the way to New York to share it,  he said he &#8220;made it a habit not to discuss his personal life&#8221;.  Too late  &#8211;she already had it in his own words.</p>
<p>When pressed on the &#8220;change&#8221; issue, Joe told Joan that &#8220;it&#8217;s not a complete change from one end of the spectrum to the other &#8212; we are all both&#8221;.  He should speak for himself.  But, be that as it may,  <em>God loves ex-gay bisexuals, too.</em></p>
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		By: concerned		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[concerned]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Timothy,

   Good we agree.  Now let us try to practice this for those that we do not see eye to eye with.  Love your enemy because they reflect something very important in yourself that you may not recognize.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy,</p>
<p>   Good we agree.  Now let us try to practice this for those that we do not see eye to eye with.  Love your enemy because they reflect something very important in yourself that you may not recognize.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[concerned,



Your comment contains some great truths:



&lt;blockquote&gt;The world will not become a more peaceful place by having one group trying to out compete or out condem the other.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



and



&lt;blockquote&gt;Love your neighbor as yourself does not mean shove your believe upon your neighbor&lt;/blockquote&gt;



and even



&lt;blockquote&gt;There are some very prominent religious and spiritual leaders who try to teach the rest of us the way, but generally those whose pride has inflated their ego to a level of them doing no wrong are unable to listen to the message of these leaders and often put them down or use sarcasm and ridicule to try to shut down there message of peace and goodwill.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I&#039;m glad we are in agreement on these points]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>concerned,</p>
<p>Your comment contains some great truths:</p>
<blockquote><p>The world will not become a more peaceful place by having one group trying to out compete or out condem the other.</p></blockquote>
<p>and</p>
<blockquote><p>Love your neighbor as yourself does not mean shove your believe upon your neighbor</p></blockquote>
<p>and even</p>
<blockquote><p>There are some very prominent religious and spiritual leaders who try to teach the rest of us the way, but generally those whose pride has inflated their ego to a level of them doing no wrong are unable to listen to the message of these leaders and often put them down or use sarcasm and ridicule to try to shut down there message of peace and goodwill.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m glad we are in agreement on these points</p>
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