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	<title>Comments on: Same-sex parenting: What do we know?</title>
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	<description>A College Psychology Professor&#039;s Observations About Public Policy, Mental Health, Sexual Identity, and Religious Issues</description>
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		<title>By: jag</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/12/20/same-sex-parenting-what-do-we-know/comment-page-2/#comment-78868</link>
		<dc:creator>jag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pam - 

&quot;Ponder for a moment that some of those boys and girls who were raised in perfectly loving families turn out to be gay. They’ve seen real live role models of great parenting and some of them might make great parents.&quot;

Great thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8220;Ponder for a moment that some of those boys and girls who were raised in perfectly loving families turn out to be gay. They’ve seen real live role models of great parenting and some of them might make great parents.&#8221;</p>
<p>Great thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam Ferguson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 04:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God finds a way for all His purposes....through all sorts of avenues....all sorts of folks stepping up to take care of one another in all sorts of situations....

He even found a way to cause a virgin to give birth....(just noticed that was mentioned)

The creator is innately creative in ways we just don&#039;t fathom, but he continues to accept our efforts whether or not we are able to discern His intent....

I&#039;m sure some will disagree that he&#039;s accepting of all our efforts....hence, this sort of continuous disagreement..

From what I can see, no one here has argued against the idea that the absolute best environment for a child is in the home of a perfectly loving mother and perfectly loving father.  We&#039;ve all been in agreement that traditional family is the most zippidy doo dah thing around when it&#039;s ACTUALLY in order and working correctly.  And then, there&#039;s all the rest of the real people and kids in the world who are left to fend for one another.  That&#039;s what we were talking about here for the most part.  Wasn&#039;t it?  

Ponder for a moment that some of those boys and girls who were raised in perfectly loving families turn out to be gay.  They&#039;ve seen real live role models of great parenting and some of them might make great parents.  Or, some might be great at parenting for the same reason some straights are great at it...they&#039;ve learned what NOT to do from bad parenting skills.  

One thing I&#039;ve often pondered is this....

Most reparative therapists argue that gay men were raised by distant fathers with whom they never bonded emotionally.  If that&#039;s the case, it stands to reason that a gay man would make an exellent father because he is more likely to be intuitive and loving toward his son.  Just some pondering of my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God finds a way for all His purposes&#8230;.through all sorts of avenues&#8230;.all sorts of folks stepping up to take care of one another in all sorts of situations&#8230;.</p>
<p>He even found a way to cause a virgin to give birth&#8230;.(just noticed that was mentioned)</p>
<p>The creator is innately creative in ways we just don&#8217;t fathom, but he continues to accept our efforts whether or not we are able to discern His intent&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure some will disagree that he&#8217;s accepting of all our efforts&#8230;.hence, this sort of continuous disagreement..</p>
<p>From what I can see, no one here has argued against the idea that the absolute best environment for a child is in the home of a perfectly loving mother and perfectly loving father.  We&#8217;ve all been in agreement that traditional family is the most zippidy doo dah thing around when it&#8217;s ACTUALLY in order and working correctly.  And then, there&#8217;s all the rest of the real people and kids in the world who are left to fend for one another.  That&#8217;s what we were talking about here for the most part.  Wasn&#8217;t it?  </p>
<p>Ponder for a moment that some of those boys and girls who were raised in perfectly loving families turn out to be gay.  They&#8217;ve seen real live role models of great parenting and some of them might make great parents.  Or, some might be great at parenting for the same reason some straights are great at it&#8230;they&#8217;ve learned what NOT to do from bad parenting skills.  </p>
<p>One thing I&#8217;ve often pondered is this&#8230;.</p>
<p>Most reparative therapists argue that gay men were raised by distant fathers with whom they never bonded emotionally.  If that&#8217;s the case, it stands to reason that a gay man would make an exellent father because he is more likely to be intuitive and loving toward his son.  Just some pondering of my own.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh- and yes Jag, all teenage girls can&#039;t stand her (her being their mother) but then by around 23 or there abouts and all is good back on the homefront.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh- and yes Jag, all teenage girls can&#8217;t stand her (her being their mother) but then by around 23 or there abouts and all is good back on the homefront.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask a child anything and I assume they will give you they answer they think YOU want.  They are easy to manipulate and have not developed psychologically.  I swear, I could yell at my child (if I had one) for no good reason and easily convince my child that I was not yelling and that I was telling him how good he was.   And guess what - later in an interview with someone else he would tell you just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask a child anything and I assume they will give you they answer they think YOU want.  They are easy to manipulate and have not developed psychologically.  I swear, I could yell at my child (if I had one) for no good reason and easily convince my child that I was not yelling and that I was telling him how good he was.   And guess what &#8211; later in an interview with someone else he would tell you just that.</p>
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		<title>By: jag</title>
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		<dc:creator>jag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann - 

Happy new year to you as well!

You stated:
&quot;If we were to ask any child whether they would want a mom and dad or just a mom or just a dad or two moms or two dads, what does anyone think they would say? Sometimes adults are not the only people who matter when it comes to life decisions.&quot;

Any child? I think if I asked the 3 year-old I know adopted as an infant from Vietnam by two women what she would want, I can almost guarantee she&#039;d say her moms. They dote over her like crazy, and offer her a life ahead that she might likely otherwise never have. 

I think the answer would vary greatly based on who you ask and when. Those raised in a loving same-sex household may love it, those raised in a loving hetero household may love it also...some might want anything other than what they have...and heck, ask a teenager, and many might want to scrap their parents altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann &#8211; </p>
<p>Happy new year to you as well!</p>
<p>You stated:<br />
&#8220;If we were to ask any child whether they would want a mom and dad or just a mom or just a dad or two moms or two dads, what does anyone think they would say? Sometimes adults are not the only people who matter when it comes to life decisions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Any child? I think if I asked the 3 year-old I know adopted as an infant from Vietnam by two women what she would want, I can almost guarantee she&#8217;d say her moms. They dote over her like crazy, and offer her a life ahead that she might likely otherwise never have. </p>
<p>I think the answer would vary greatly based on who you ask and when. Those raised in a loving same-sex household may love it, those raised in a loving hetero household may love it also&#8230;some might want anything other than what they have&#8230;and heck, ask a teenager, and many might want to scrap their parents altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Ann, we don&#039;t really have any thoughts on 78343

Primarily because it is extrapolation.  It takes a fact and add a &quot;because&quot;.  And to guess about the &quot;because&quot; requires knowing the mind of God.

We don&#039;t know if God had a reason.  And if He did, we certainly can&#039;t guess what it is.  I think Jayhuck has well explained this.

If you enjoy pondering, then ponder.  I know there are many things that I like to think about, they take us out of the day-to-day and let us try and make better sense of the universe.

But don&#039;t think it odd if we don&#039;t join you on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Ann, we don&#8217;t really have any thoughts on 78343</p>
<p>Primarily because it is extrapolation.  It takes a fact and add a &#8220;because&#8221;.  And to guess about the &#8220;because&#8221; requires knowing the mind of God.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know if God had a reason.  And if He did, we certainly can&#8217;t guess what it is.  I think Jayhuck has well explained this.</p>
<p>If you enjoy pondering, then ponder.  I know there are many things that I like to think about, they take us out of the day-to-day and let us try and make better sense of the universe.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t think it odd if we don&#8217;t join you on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: jayhuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>jayhuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann,

My answer is the same - I cannot know the mind of God, and I won&#039;t pretend to.

I think that, in the fullness of time, we all will know :)  For now we see through a glass darkly, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann,</p>
<p>My answer is the same &#8211; I cannot know the mind of God, and I won&#8217;t pretend to.</p>
<p>I think that, in the fullness of time, we all will know <img src='http://wthrockmorton.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   For now we see through a glass darkly, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I don’t like to try and pretend to know why God does many things - because, in then end, I will never know for sure. THAT is why answering that question of yours about WHY God created men and women to have children, is impossible for me. &lt;/i&gt;

Jayhuck,

This is not the question I asked - again, I did not ask about what God has made possible and why, I asked about what He didn&#039;t make possible, his discernment in that, and if anyone had any thoughts on it.  Now I am sighing.  Anyway, I agree with you about not pretending to know the mind of God and I hope in the fullness of time we will have all the answers that we ponder about now.  

Does anyone else have any thoughts about #78343?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don’t like to try and pretend to know why God does many things &#8211; because, in then end, I will never know for sure. THAT is why answering that question of yours about WHY God created men and women to have children, is impossible for me. </i></p>
<p>Jayhuck,</p>
<p>This is not the question I asked &#8211; again, I did not ask about what God has made possible and why, I asked about what He didn&#8217;t make possible, his discernment in that, and if anyone had any thoughts on it.  Now I am sighing.  Anyway, I agree with you about not pretending to know the mind of God and I hope in the fullness of time we will have all the answers that we ponder about now.  </p>
<p>Does anyone else have any thoughts about #78343?</p>
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		<title>By: jayhuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>jayhuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann,

I don&#039;t like to try and pretend to know why God does many things - because, in then end, I will never know for sure.  THAT is why answering that question of yours about WHY God created men and women to have children, is impossible for me.  I would rather deal in what we KNOW rather than in speculating on why God did or did not do something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like to try and pretend to know why God does many things &#8211; because, in then end, I will never know for sure.  THAT is why answering that question of yours about WHY God created men and women to have children, is impossible for me.  I would rather deal in what we KNOW rather than in speculating on why God did or did not do something.</p>
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		<title>By: jayhuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>jayhuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann,

And I would venture to suggest that, if children are made aware of both kinds of parents, and know kids who are happy in both kinds of households, and have been appropriately exposed to both kinds of parents - that they might answer either way.

&lt;i&gt;Do you have any thoughts on why He made it impossible for men to create children with each other and impossible for women to create children with each other&lt;/i&gt;

Sigh - Ann - I&#039;ve already answered this - I cannot answer it because I cannot read the mind of God.  Why does God do bad things to good people?  Why did God create men and women who CAN&#039;T have children? Why has God created gay parents who are just as good parenting as straight parents?   Can you answer these questions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann,</p>
<p>And I would venture to suggest that, if children are made aware of both kinds of parents, and know kids who are happy in both kinds of households, and have been appropriately exposed to both kinds of parents &#8211; that they might answer either way.</p>
<p><i>Do you have any thoughts on why He made it impossible for men to create children with each other and impossible for women to create children with each other</i></p>
<p>Sigh &#8211; Ann &#8211; I&#8217;ve already answered this &#8211; I cannot answer it because I cannot read the mind of God.  Why does God do bad things to good people?  Why did God create men and women who CAN&#8217;T have children? Why has God created gay parents who are just as good parenting as straight parents?   Can you answer these questions?</p>
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