Comments on: Geneticist Francis Collins comments on Narth article http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/ A College Psychology Professor's Observations About Public Policy, Mental Health, Sexual Identity, and Religious Issues Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:15:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dr. Francis Collins on Genetic Contributions to Homosexuality « as were some of you http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/comment-page-1/#comment-107830 Dr. Francis Collins on Genetic Contributions to Homosexuality « as were some of you Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:57:30 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/#comment-107830 [...] it here. And you should be visiting Dr. Throckmorton’s site [...] [...] it here. And you should be visiting Dr. Throckmorton’s site [...]

]]> By: Drowssap http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/comment-page-1/#comment-29678 Drowssap Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:46:51 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/#comment-29678 Lynn & Tim What I was trying to get at in my last post was that the number of people who say they aren't getting any might be accurate to that sample. Lynn & Tim

What I was trying to get at in my last post was that the number of people who say they aren’t getting any might be accurate to that sample.

]]> By: Drowssap http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/comment-page-1/#comment-29582 Drowssap Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:44:39 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/#comment-29582 Lynn & Tim People who have time to answer a government survey probably don't have the most active social lives. I can't see David Hasselfhoff spending an hour on the phone with a government employee answering personal questions. 8-) Lynn & Tim

People who have time to answer a government survey probably don’t have the most active social lives. I can’t see David Hasselfhoff spending an hour on the phone with a government employee answering personal questions. 8-)

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/comment-page-1/#comment-29502 Timothy Kincaid Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:24:02 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/#comment-29502 OK, guys. This month is crazy for me so I don't have the time to do a thorough analysis on the research. I'm a bit lost here. What is it that GSS is saying, if anything? And I too am a bit suspect of anything that had 2/3 of participants reporting celibacy for the past year. OK, guys. This month is crazy for me so I don’t have the time to do a thorough analysis on the research. I’m a bit lost here. What is it that GSS is saying, if anything?

And I too am a bit suspect of anything that had 2/3 of participants reporting celibacy for the past year.

]]> By: Lynn David http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/comment-page-1/#comment-29281 Lynn David Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:00:42 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/#comment-29281 One thing I didn't consider is that over two-thirds of the Respondents did not say what the gender of the person thy had sex with in 12 months or 5 years because they hadn't had sex in those time periods - they were celibate! Yeah.... sure. Not. Maybe one should filter on the age of respondent. One thing I didn’t consider is that over two-thirds of the Respondents did not say what the gender of the person thy had sex with in 12 months or 5 years because they hadn’t had sex in those time periods – they were celibate!

Yeah…. sure. Not.

Maybe one should filter on the age of respondent.

]]> By: Drowssap http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/comment-page-1/#comment-29197 Drowssap Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:01:32 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/#comment-29197 Ya know, the older brother hypothesis kind of fits in with an urban hypothesis. Theoretically speaking the more male babies a mother has, the more chance she might have some sort of autoimmune response to testosterone. Urban environments are loaded with every kind of gunk. Maybe mothers that live in big cities have heightened immune systems and this contributes to the autoimmune effect? My 2 cent theory Ya know, the older brother hypothesis kind of fits in with an urban hypothesis. Theoretically speaking the more male babies a mother has, the more chance she might have some sort of autoimmune response to testosterone. Urban environments are loaded with every kind of gunk. Maybe mothers that live in big cities have heightened immune systems and this contributes to the autoimmune effect?

My 2 cent theory

]]> By: Drowssap http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/comment-page-1/#comment-29172 Drowssap Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:24:44 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/#comment-29172 Right On! Cool charts, I can see the general distribution pattern. I agree with your assesment. The data is interesting but how good is the data? I guess an invalid code is an error of some sort? I hope a research team devotes some time and looks into this phenomenon. Is it real? Your data combined with the gay marriage study makes me GUESS that there is some sort of pattern. Right On!

Cool charts, I can see the general distribution pattern. I agree with your assesment. The data is interesting but how good is the data? I guess an invalid code is an error of some sort?

I hope a research team devotes some time and looks into this phenomenon. Is it real? Your data combined with the gay marriage study makes me GUESS that there is some sort of pattern.

]]> By: Lynn David http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/comment-page-1/#comment-28640 Lynn David Sat, 02 Jun 2007 00:44:52 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/#comment-28640 I have included an analysis of RES16 vs SEXSEX (at 12 months) in that website: http://members.vincennes.net/lyrecker/res16vsex-gss.html I have included an analysis of RES16 vs SEXSEX (at 12 months) in that website:

http://members.vincennes.net/lyrecker/res16vsex-gss.html

]]> By: Lynn David http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/comment-page-1/#comment-28622 Lynn David Fri, 01 Jun 2007 23:40:28 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/#comment-28622 Tim... GSS? That's the General Social Survey that Drowssap inquired about. There are various portals that I have found over the last year on the web. Read about it here: http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/GSS/about/gss/about.htm The (or rather A) Codebook for the questions is here: http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/GSS/ Subject headings here: http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/GSS/rnd1998/merged/indx-sub/indexa.htm The codes are nmeonic, so SEX is for gender of the 'R' (Respondant) while SEXSEX is who (males only, males&females, or females only) 'R sexed up in the last 12 months and SEXSEX5 is who 'R' had sex with in the last 5 years. Thus RES16 is the RESidence of 'R' at age 16. I think that one is best. The site that has the greatest power to analyze this data (that power is primarily that to analyze over time, I think!) is the ICPSR site at UMichigan: https://www.icpsr.umich.edu/ticketlogin However, access to that power is limited to registered users (I think anybody) but downloads of some data are limited to ICPSR member institutions. I haven't "probed" into this Website any further than that first page above. At the SDA Web Application of UC-Berkeley: http://sda.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/hsda?harcsda+gss04 One may online create charts and bar graphs on the entire data set (compare two variables filtered on another variable, etc..) - however there is no way to filter the data's timeset, at least as far as I have learned the interface - it does state "cumulative dataset." Thus I did an analysis filtering for all men and charting RESidence @ age 16 vs who one had sex with over the last 5 years (SEXSEX5). You can see that analysis at: http://members.vincennes.net/lyrecker/res16vsex-gss.html There appear to be problems in the dataset which make it worrisome to me. . . . Tim… GSS? That’s the General Social Survey that Drowssap inquired about.

There are various portals that I have found over the last year on the web.

Read about it here:
http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/GSS/about/gss/about.htm

The (or rather A) Codebook for the questions is here:
http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/GSS/

Subject headings here:
http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/GSS/rnd1998/merged/indx-sub/indexa.htm

The codes are nmeonic, so SEX is for gender of the ‘R’ (Respondant) while SEXSEX is who (males only, males&females, or females only) ‘R sexed up in the last 12 months and SEXSEX5 is who ‘R’ had sex with in the last 5 years. Thus RES16 is the RESidence of ‘R’ at age 16. I think that one is best.

The site that has the greatest power to analyze this data (that power is primarily that to analyze over time, I think!) is the ICPSR site at UMichigan:
https://www.icpsr.umich.edu/ticketlogin
However, access to that power is limited to registered users (I think anybody) but downloads of some data are limited to ICPSR member institutions. I haven’t “probed” into this Website any further than that first page above.

At the SDA Web Application of UC-Berkeley:
http://sda.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/hsda?harcsda+gss04
One may online create charts and bar graphs on the entire data set (compare two variables filtered on another variable, etc..) – however there is no way to filter the data’s timeset, at least as far as I have learned the interface – it does state “cumulative dataset.”

Thus I did an analysis filtering for all men and charting RESidence @ age 16 vs who one had sex with over the last 5 years (SEXSEX5). You can see that analysis at:

http://members.vincennes.net/lyrecker/res16vsex-gss.html

There appear to be problems in the dataset which make it worrisome to me.
. . .

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/comment-page-1/#comment-28489 Timothy Kincaid Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:49:01 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/05/25/geneticist-francis-collins-comments-on-narth-article/#comment-28489 <i>Comment by Lynn David May 31, 2007 @ 5:39 pm GSS? From what I know of it…..</i> You lost me. What are you referencing? I'm pretty sure this isn't the Danish study but I don't know what it is. Comment by Lynn David

May 31, 2007 @ 5:39 pm

GSS? From what I know of it…..

You lost me. What are you referencing? I’m pretty sure this isn’t the Danish study but I don’t know what it is.

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