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		<title>By: Jami</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2006/11/22/narth-news/comment-page-1/#comment-26162</link>
		<dc:creator>Jami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 13:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is John still reading here? If so, I wonder what his explanation would be for the fact that both APAs have never repudiated the decision to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder.

Also, if &quot;it&quot; should have been reclassified, how would you propose it be reclassified?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is John still reading here? If so, I wonder what his explanation would be for the fact that both APAs have never repudiated the decision to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder.</p>
<p>Also, if &#8220;it&#8221; should have been reclassified, how would you propose it be reclassified?</p>
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		<title>By: Boo</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2006/11/22/narth-news/comment-page-1/#comment-4465</link>
		<dc:creator>Boo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 20:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;can you imagine being the point man (and bullseye) for all these years, standing in the breach defending reason and science against a storm of politically correct, albeit wrong opponents?&lt;/i&gt;

No, but then neither can Nicolosi.

&lt;i&gt;Remember the vote on the removal of the designation from the DSM in 1973 was accomplished by the actions of fraud and not based upon science. It was conducted by (with the appearances of being sanctioned by the APA, when in fact the literature disseminated was done so by deceit and was not sanctioned) radicals within the APA. Had the membership been properly informed of the facts and science (and many years of witnessing this very â€œchangeâ€ in patients who were treated for other, unrelated issues, which obviously underpinned the attractions since the attractions dissipated once therapy ameliorated the challenge presented to the therapist) instead of being sent propaganda and fraudulent comminications on the APA letterhead without their knowledge or consent, the vote would probably gone in the opposite direction.&lt;/i&gt;

So why have the APA members never in the last 33 years become aware of this fraud and put it back in? (And please don&#039;t try the stock answer of &quot;everyone&#039;s intimidated by the Gay Mafia(tm)&quot; without explaining just how the majority of the 155,000+ member APA is being intimidated).

And again the claim that treating for unrelated issues will somehow poof away the gay- then the obvious question once again is: why does dedicated &quot;ex-gay&quot; therapy exist at all? Shouldn&#039;t NARTH simply close up shop and their therapists search for unrelated issues to treat whenever someone with unwanted same-sex attractions comes in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>can you imagine being the point man (and bullseye) for all these years, standing in the breach defending reason and science against a storm of politically correct, albeit wrong opponents?</i></p>
<p>No, but then neither can Nicolosi.</p>
<p><i>Remember the vote on the removal of the designation from the DSM in 1973 was accomplished by the actions of fraud and not based upon science. It was conducted by (with the appearances of being sanctioned by the APA, when in fact the literature disseminated was done so by deceit and was not sanctioned) radicals within the APA. Had the membership been properly informed of the facts and science (and many years of witnessing this very â€œchangeâ€ in patients who were treated for other, unrelated issues, which obviously underpinned the attractions since the attractions dissipated once therapy ameliorated the challenge presented to the therapist) instead of being sent propaganda and fraudulent comminications on the APA letterhead without their knowledge or consent, the vote would probably gone in the opposite direction.</i></p>
<p>So why have the APA members never in the last 33 years become aware of this fraud and put it back in? (And please don&#8217;t try the stock answer of &#8220;everyone&#8217;s intimidated by the Gay Mafia(tm)&#8221; without explaining just how the majority of the 155,000+ member APA is being intimidated).</p>
<p>And again the claim that treating for unrelated issues will somehow poof away the gay- then the obvious question once again is: why does dedicated &#8220;ex-gay&#8221; therapy exist at all? Shouldn&#8217;t NARTH simply close up shop and their therapists search for unrelated issues to treat whenever someone with unwanted same-sex attractions comes in?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2006/11/22/narth-news/comment-page-1/#comment-4463</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 18:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, Dr. Nicolosi had been at the helm for a long time which is true and having said that can you imagine being the point man (and bullseye) for all these years, standing in the breach defending reason and science against a storm of politically correct, albeit wrong opponents? I would imagine that would wear on anyone. By saying his term was about to be up, I meant that it was ending...not a fixed term, sorry if that confused you, my fault.

The descision to change the Presidency had been discussed prior to the flap in re the article. To my knowledge it was Dr. Nicolosi, Dr. Charles W. Socarides and Dr. Benjamin Kaufman who formed Narth. Dr. Socarides I believe was the first President.

I think you meant &quot;election BY members&quot; instead of &quot;election OF members&quot; and if so that is my understanding also, that the election of Dr. Byrd was on a vote of the Board, not a membership vote.

Remember the vote on the removal of the designation from the DSM in 1973 was accomplished by the actions of fraud and not based upon science. It was conducted by (with the appearances of being sanctioned by the APA, when in fact the literature disseminated was done so by deceit and was not sanctioned) radicals within the APA. Had the membership been properly informed of the facts and science (and many years of witnessing this very &quot;change&quot; in patients who were treated for other, unrelated issues, which obviously underpinned the attractions since the attractions dissipated once therapy ameliorated the challenge presented to the therapist) instead of being sent propaganda and fraudulent comminications on the APA letterhead without their knowledge or consent, the vote would probably gone in the opposite direction.

The dysfunction should have been reclassified, not removed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, Dr. Nicolosi had been at the helm for a long time which is true and having said that can you imagine being the point man (and bullseye) for all these years, standing in the breach defending reason and science against a storm of politically correct, albeit wrong opponents? I would imagine that would wear on anyone. By saying his term was about to be up, I meant that it was ending&#8230;not a fixed term, sorry if that confused you, my fault.</p>
<p>The descision to change the Presidency had been discussed prior to the flap in re the article. To my knowledge it was Dr. Nicolosi, Dr. Charles W. Socarides and Dr. Benjamin Kaufman who formed Narth. Dr. Socarides I believe was the first President.</p>
<p>I think you meant &#8220;election BY members&#8221; instead of &#8220;election OF members&#8221; and if so that is my understanding also, that the election of Dr. Byrd was on a vote of the Board, not a membership vote.</p>
<p>Remember the vote on the removal of the designation from the DSM in 1973 was accomplished by the actions of fraud and not based upon science. It was conducted by (with the appearances of being sanctioned by the APA, when in fact the literature disseminated was done so by deceit and was not sanctioned) radicals within the APA. Had the membership been properly informed of the facts and science (and many years of witnessing this very &#8220;change&#8221; in patients who were treated for other, unrelated issues, which obviously underpinned the attractions since the attractions dissipated once therapy ameliorated the challenge presented to the therapist) instead of being sent propaganda and fraudulent comminications on the APA letterhead without their knowledge or consent, the vote would probably gone in the opposite direction.</p>
<p>The dysfunction should have been reclassified, not removed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John - do you know that for a fact or is that speculation? Nicolosi had been president forever and to my knowledge, NARTH does not have elections of members. Are you a NARTH member?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8211; do you know that for a fact or is that speculation? Nicolosi had been president forever and to my knowledge, NARTH does not have elections of members. Are you a NARTH member?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that Dr. Nicolosi&#039;s term was simply up and he is too busy with his practice to give the amount of time to monitoring the website, etc... which is probably why it appeared that Narth was not paying attention to the article referenced. The change in leadership is simply done on a rotating basis, and was not done for any other reason. To my knowledge the Board had been looking to rotate the leadership prior to any of this happening and simply made the changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Dr. Nicolosi&#8217;s term was simply up and he is too busy with his practice to give the amount of time to monitoring the website, etc&#8230; which is probably why it appeared that Narth was not paying attention to the article referenced. The change in leadership is simply done on a rotating basis, and was not done for any other reason. To my knowledge the Board had been looking to rotate the leadership prior to any of this happening and simply made the changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Dec 2006 04:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know Dr. Byrd and he is definitely an activist and definitely religious. Nothing wrong with either one of these positions but it does seem strange that he would disavow either role. He will bring a bit more research sophistication to NARTH but basically nothing will change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know Dr. Byrd and he is definitely an activist and definitely religious. Nothing wrong with either one of these positions but it does seem strange that he would disavow either role. He will bring a bit more research sophistication to NARTH but basically nothing will change.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2006/11/22/narth-news/comment-page-1/#comment-3448</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 04:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t looked at this thread for awhile. 

Interesting quote from Dr. Byrd. He certainly is an activist, I cannot imagine why he would say that. He has been for quite a long time. 

I did not think he was very religious until I became aware of his books and writings on LDS theology. At least he has said publicly that he is not &quot;very religious.&quot; 

He must be thinking about these terms in ways different than me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t looked at this thread for awhile. </p>
<p>Interesting quote from Dr. Byrd. He certainly is an activist, I cannot imagine why he would say that. He has been for quite a long time. </p>
<p>I did not think he was very religious until I became aware of his books and writings on LDS theology. At least he has said publicly that he is not &#8220;very religious.&#8221; </p>
<p>He must be thinking about these terms in ways different than me.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Throckmorton &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NARTH news update</title>
		<link>http://wthrockmorton.com/2006/11/22/narth-news/comment-page-1/#comment-2908</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Throckmorton &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NARTH news update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I spoke with Dave Pruden this evening and asked him about the recent changes at NARTH. Dave was quite open about some changes that were announced at the conference. He noted that Dr. Nicolosi&#8217;s term as NARTH president will actually end at the 2007 conference in Dallas. At that time, president-elect Byrd will assume the helm with Dr. Nicolosi moving to past-president. A new president-elect will be voted in at the conference. To clarify, the election was a board election, rather than a membership vote. The Scientific Advisory Board that was in the news so much last month is searching for a chair, although most likely Dr. Byrd will have dual roles until someone takes the job. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I spoke with Dave Pruden this evening and asked him about the recent changes at NARTH. Dave was quite open about some changes that were announced at the conference. He noted that Dr. Nicolosi&#8217;s term as NARTH president will actually end at the 2007 conference in Dallas. At that time, president-elect Byrd will assume the helm with Dr. Nicolosi moving to past-president. A new president-elect will be voted in at the conference. To clarify, the election was a board election, rather than a membership vote. The Scientific Advisory Board that was in the news so much last month is searching for a chair, although most likely Dr. Byrd will have dual roles until someone takes the job. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an interesting quote by Dean Byrd in an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.meridianmagazine.com/familywatch/040902Born.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; for a LDS audience:

&lt;i&gt;In the world of the academy, homosexuality is an issue on which there is little genuine intellectual exchange these days. And it&#039;s this topic that FAIR has asked me to address. I should perhaps add to the introduction so that you can appreciate my perspective. You need to know that I am not much of an activist on this issue or any other issue. I direct a research organization, teach at the medical school, and manage to provide therapy for a unique population--men who are distressed by their unwanted homosexual attraction.&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;...not much of an activist?&quot; 

What would it take to become an activist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an interesting quote by Dean Byrd in an <a href="http://www.meridianmagazine.com/familywatch/040902Born.html" rel="nofollow">article</a> for a LDS audience:</p>
<p><i>In the world of the academy, homosexuality is an issue on which there is little genuine intellectual exchange these days. And it&#8217;s this topic that FAIR has asked me to address. I should perhaps add to the introduction so that you can appreciate my perspective. You need to know that I am not much of an activist on this issue or any other issue. I direct a research organization, teach at the medical school, and manage to provide therapy for a unique population&#8211;men who are distressed by their unwanted homosexual attraction.</i></p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;not much of an activist?&#8221; </p>
<p>What would it take to become an activist?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 06:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder who ran against Dr. Byrd for the presidency of NARTH?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder who ran against Dr. Byrd for the presidency of NARTH?</p>
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